Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

And that's their choice so get over it. Latest vaxxed person to die is Colin Powell. We are not immune and people know this.

As far as development goes I see you have resigned yourself to get on with life and let the virus take it's course regardless of vaccine efficacy.

 

Florida is third in total deaths, New York is fourth. We even had a couple posts here marking when we passed them last week.

Population adjusted, New York is 5th, and Florida is 10th.

United States COVID: 45,792,532 Cases and 744,546 Deaths - Worldometer

 

You aren't taking age of the population into account. Useless without acknowledging that. You know that and are willfully ignoring it.

 

And Colin Powell most likely had at least one and possibly multiple serious underlying health conditions. While none of the vaccines provide absolute immunity the probability of fully vaccinated persons contracting severe Covid-19 infections and especially dying from said infections is significantly lower in comparison to that of unvaccinated persons.

 

You said: “What's the point. Vaccinated people are dying as well.”

I just take issue with this. A minuscule number of people that are fully vaccinated are dying from this. The vast majority of those dying are unvaxxed. So there is still plenty of good reason to get vaccinated. That’s the point.

 

As do many other people which is a known issue. While we know this about Colin Powell we do not get the granular information on all the others who have died.

 

You can take all the issue you want with the fact that people who aren't vaccinated are dying. Options are out there and people are aware of them. It's not as if the population of the United States isn't aware due to lack of information. They are well aware and it's their choice not yours, mine or ours. You have options for your own benefit just as much as they do.

 

Now wait for CA and NY to have their winter wave.

 

He was wrong with his numbers. I posted the age adjusted numbers last week. He's trying to make up dates to make NY look better than FL. FL is doing better than NY by almost every metric when you take age of the population into account. TX is doing very poorly for sure. CA middle of the road like FL.

 

You should include those qualifiers in your claims.

 

like 91% lower:

CDC: Unvaccinated are over 11 times more likely to die from COVID (yahoo.com)

 

A followup
Powell, whose immune system was weakened, died of Covid-19 despite being vaccinated.

 

As do many other people which is a known issue. While we know this about Colin Powell we do not get the granular information on all the others who have died.

 

Or maybe you shouldn't make claims without stating you aren't using "qualifiers" in there. Considering age is the number 1 factor determining risk of covid, then yes, that's a pretty big "qualifier" to exclude. Anyone not using age in their data doesn't want to know the "real" numbers.

 

If we want people who are fully vaccinated to not die from COVID, then we need to get everyone vaccinated and reach herd immunity. Otherwise, we will continue to have breakthrough cases and deaths among even the vaccinated. Especially when the vaccinated person was 85 years old with a compromised immune system. Colin Powell should not be used an excuse not to get vaccinated, but a push to get vaccinated, so that herd immunity can protect people like him.

As for Florida versus New York, time stamp matters too. New York, especially NYC, was hit hard very early, before we knew too much about the virus. Mistakes were made in NY that we learned from, and that other states thankfully did not repeat. A graph of deaths per 1000 residents, FL vs NY, over time, would be interesting to see.

 

That is flawed thinking on NY. We knew from Italy what to do. Why do you think FL shut down their nursing homes in early March? Wasn't a lucky guess by DeSantis. Can't use "but they were 1st hit" when Italy was 1st hit and data was out there, it just wasn't followed by some states.

 

There's no better teacher than first hand experience. There were people who thought Italy way over-reacted and COVID was going to be nothing more than just another flu. Even after seeing what happened in Italy. Seeing it first-hand in NY changed many attitudes.

We still see the first-hand experience as the best teacher today. Just how many death-bed "wish they had taken the vaccine" stories are out there?

 

No, that isn't how language works. If a statement is made without qualifiers, it is a statement without qualifiers. That is what the words mean.

 

No, I posted the numbers since Oct 30 2020 and I said that many times. I used this date because you made a big deal about a study that ended in October 2020. The study was about blue states doing better than red states. And you implied they cut the study off at October 2020 because of the winter surge in many blue states. But if you look at the data since October 2020, blue states are still doing much better than red states. NY has done far better than FL in the last year. And NY has done much better than FL since the first month and a half of the pandemic. In the first month and a half 23800 people died of covid in NY. In that same time 1427 Floridians died. NY was slammed by the virus before any distancing measures could take effect, Florida was not. Honest people recognize that. Dishonest people don't.

 

Florida didn't shut anything down before NY did.