Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

I just want the hard data right now. It fascinates me that we have not been able to provide Covid deaths and separate the vaccinated and unvaccinated. I get that most are old. That is who the virus attacks. I get that most have health issues. That is who the virus attacks.

I think the new drugs provide a small benefit. Therefore one then needs to asses their risk when deciding whether to take it.

If one has no concerns about a new drug and forcing their immune system into action for a small benefit. They will take it regardless.

If one has concerns about a new drug and putting their immune system to work then they ought to be able to consider the risk of not having any long term data on the drugs/the reality these drugs are not working as well as they were advertised and what their current risk factors are with Covid. If they have little to no risk factor they should be able to make a decision for themselves. If they have a high risk factor. They should be able to make the decision for themselves.

And as we have seen. The vulnerable by in large have chosen to get the shot. And by in large the vulnerable are still dying. Yes you are going to have a lot of younger people who think they are invincible not get vaccinated. Their choice. But the data speaks. And this is not a disease than dictates everyone get vaccinated.

Then we ignore natural immunity. Ugh!

 

"Having issues" tends to gloss over the extent of those issues. We will see if your predictions come true, but as of now, they have not. For example, a lot of focus has been paid to the outbreak in Vermont, but currently, it is at about 1/3 the infection rate that Florida had over the summer.

 

The data you provided yesterday from Scotland showed more than a 70% decline in age-adjusted mortality rate due to becoming fully vaccinated. Are you really defining more than a 70% decline as a "small benefit?"

 

It shows what we have known. The vulnerable are at risk.

 

Older study from June 2021 but shows Alpha was more deadly(mostly because of the vaccine obviously) than Delta. I'll try to find some more recent data.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...ants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf

 

You don’t know if I am vaccinated (as far as I know I have yet to put that out there/maybe I slipped along the way).

Those words show you are a selfish authoritarian who does not care about others ability to take care of themselves freely.

When you call for mandatory actions to force the obese/overweight to take care of themselves. You will start to gain some credibility that you care and are not “selfish”.

 

One wants to take the flu shot…by all means. The efficacy is not good as it is a crap shoot each year. It does have decades of data so overall I see it as safe to take. I personally do not take a flu shot. I think I took one in college and don’t think I have since.

Had the flu one time I remember. Got it from my vaccinated daughter. Go figure. Almost killed myself as I decided to run a 5K the weekend after I had it (over it but still did not have a good meal on me). Ran 21:10 and felt like a truck ran me over after. Next time I will take an extra day off and not try to crush a run I had no business doing.

***btw…completely agree when it comes to consequences. If these new drugs end up having long term issues. That is part of the deal. Just like the person deciding the data says it is best to not put my immune system to work for something it does not to for.***

 

Which still doesn't address transmissibility, which is what was being discussed (why there is currently more cases).

 

Here's the thing. If you take a vaccine then you are covered... and you should NOT have to worry about those stubborn people that refuse to take that same vaccine...

But that's not what is happening in this country and around the world... especially in New Zealand and Australia.

In every use since forever.. when you get a vaccine you are safe and secure from other people that are not vaccinated. But this mRNA shot/jab does NOT work that way, and you can also get re-infected by Covid-19 shortly after taking that vaccine because it is still not good enough of an experimental drug to stop reinfection. In fact it maybe works for a couple of months and then you need another shot.

Some doctor that interview live on the media, that let's them, are coming out with the unpublished side effects of that therapy. Yes, for some it's probably the best thing they can do, but NOT for me. I'll take my vitamins and stay away from people as much as I can. Until these researchers find a safer more dependable drug to combat not juast this virus but all the other seasonal viruses and flues we seem to get every year.

But for now if I ever do get Covid again (got it once and never really got sick) I'll just do what my Liberal veterinarian friend did when he got Covid-19. I'll got to my local monoclonal center and get that therapy and be on my way.

Don't you find it odd that the CDC and other government agencies are blocking other therapies from the public? Countries around the world are taking the proven safe drugs like Ivermectin and HQC as therapies for prevention and as an after infection therapies.

This is a possible rumor, but I'd rather be safe than sorry: According to some people in the medical profession, if you go to the hospital with a bad case of Covid-19 you have to ask for a monoclonal therapy within 9 days, and if you don't do that... then you cannot get said therapies... They will give you rendesivir... which I do NOT trust as safe. Investigate that on you time and you will be shocked at what you find out about that poison... err... medicine.

In the end... I just hope not one here ever get Covid-19, and if you do I hope you or anyone here gets it... I hope they get well soon. Please do some deep diving research.

 

But at less risk than they were. And the less vulnerable are also at less risk. The vaccine has been shown to decrease the risk at each age range, which is why it is being approved for each age range.

 

What out, the negative reppers hate contradictory information/facts....

 

Vaccines are never 100% effective upon exposure to a disease. When a population is vaccinated to a certain percentage (which varies based upon the underlying effectiveness of the vaccine, the transmissibility of the disease, etc.), you get herd immunity, where the vaccines in combination lead to 100% effectiveness. Vaccine effectiveness is always dependent on the population's vaccine rate. It is actually easily proven math.

 

Measles is a disease we nearly wiped out, and the vaccine is ~95% effective. But because measles is so contagious, a population requires 90%+ vaccination rate to reach herd immunity. Drop below 90%, and guess what happens? A measles outbreak.

Vaccination isn't just about protecting yourself. It's about the herd. It's why the word herd is in the term "herd immunity." All vaccines have breakthrough cases. This isn't a new term either. And when we don't reach herd immunity, it puts us all in danger. Because the farther away from herd immunity, the more people who get sick, the greater the chance of a breakthrough case.

Fortunately, for the vaccinated, even with a breakthrough, the vaccine does tend to limit the symptoms and helps the sick recover quickly.

 

And just like that, the Nordic countries are hesitating to use the "vaccines" on their young people... I wonder what they know that we Americans do NOT know?

FDA Responds to Nordic Countries Suspending Moderna COVID Vaccine Usage

 

It’s rather obvious. Most states have followed the same path of last year. There is a reason why they are pushing so hard for boosters among those who are older and compromised. It’s why the UK, Nordic countries and Germany are warning everyone about winter. Nordic countries right now are trying to vaccinate everyone as quickly as possible to avoid another bad winter.

 

It's so ironic that you posted this.

 

Eastern?

 

I'm gonna disagree. Consuming the bad information is a selfish choice.