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Interesting as that is drastically different than the Israeli data and now data from CA. Natural Immunity is around 8 times better than just having the vaccine. That is in line with the Israeli data as well.


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Might want to check some other data that i posted contradicts your snarky statement.

 

The table from the California study isn't saying what you think it says.

 

Cops: Man who murdered 3 thought pharmacist brother was killing people with COVID shots

WASHINGTON (7News) — Court documents reveal that a Maryland man who is charged in three late-September murders believed that his pharmacist brother, one of his alleged victims, was "killing people with the COVID shot."

Police say 46-year-old Jeffrey Allen Burnham, 46, shot and killed his brother, 58-year-old Brian Robinette, and his sister-in-law, 57-year-old Kelly Sue Robinette, in Ellicott City on September 30. They also believe he killed a friend of his mother's, Rebecca Reynolds, the prior day in his hometown of Cumberland.

The newly-released charging documents say the bodies of Burnham's older brother and his wife were found, respectively, in the foyer and a bedroom of a home in the 5300 block of Kerger Road. A car Burnham allegedly stole from Reynolds was found about a quarter-mile away from that home.

During the investigation into the killings, police say Burnham's mother, Evelyn Burnham, explained to investigators that her son "made statements to her regarding his need to confront Brian based on his profession and him administering COVID vaccines," the court documents say. "Jeffrey state to Evelyn that he wanted to confront Brian about the government poisoning people with COVID vaccines and that he repeatedly stated 'Brian knows something!'"

 

yes it does. It says what the Israeli and India study show. The OK one isn’t even a study. And lots of “estimates”. The one not like the others is the OK one

 

What percentage of vaccinated people in the California study got covid?

 

Not sure why you linked what you did?

Also, are you now calling Oklahoma officials liars? That data is not a study, research or theoretical. It is real time data reported weekly and is very consistent with previous findings.

You quote a study discussing antibodies from infection stay around 8x longer. Well, that has no meaning as a stand alone sentence. Which antibodies? As quantified by which test? Did you know there is no standard to measure these antibody levels and that the various methods can be orders of magnitude different?

Meanwhile, even if all of the above is true, there is nothing there that says there are not growing re-infections from the unvaccinated.

 

Let’s see. We have a huge study from India and Israel and now data from CA and you are dismissing it and focusing on data that has lots of estimates in it from OK. Sounds like you are looking for a specific answer and not following the data.

 

still waiting for you to tell me what percentage of vaccinated people in the California study got covid.

 

Sweden, Denmark halt Moderna's Covid-19 shot for younger people, Europe News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

STOCKHOLM (REUTERS) - Sweden and Denmark said on Wednesday (Oct 6) they are pausing the use of Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine for younger age groups after reports of possible rare cardiovascular side effects.

The Swedish health agency said it would pause using the shot for people born in 1991 and later as data pointed to an increase of myocarditis and pericarditis among youths and young adults who had been vaccinated.

Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle while pericarditis is inflammation of the lining outside the heart.

A Moderna spokesman said in an e-mail that the company was aware of the decisions by regulators in Denmark and Sweden to pause the use of its vaccine in younger individuals because of the rare risk of myocarditis and or pericarditis.

“These are typically mild cases and individuals tend to recover within a short time following standard treatment and rest. The risk of myocarditis is substantially increased for those who contract Covid-19, and vaccination is the best way to protect against this.”

 

Go find the data yourself. I'm not here to do whatever you ask.

 

That's because you don't know what it is. Hint, it's not 5.35% like you said it was in post 28100.

 

Oh man, you got me. Good effort lol. You keep thinking being vaccinated is better than natural immunity. The rational people know who is right. And hint, it's not you.

 

This infographic is from the British Society of Immunology.



It really doesn't say which is more effective in preventing re-infection, but does say natural immunity alone may struggle against variants. It also says it is still unknown just how long vaccine immunity may last.

It is impossible to make any definitive conclusions of natural versus vaccine immunity because of time and potential variants. Studies done before Delta became the dominant strain only contain data against the wild type. And Delta being more contagious suggests there is greater chance of re-infection with Delta. Of course, there are also four main vaccines out there, each one different, which adds another variable.

Last, as the infographic states, the immune response to COVID infection differs greatly from person to person. We have yet to understand why. Perhaps there is a genetic difference between groups of people that would allow say one group in Israel to develop strong natural immunity, whereas another group in the US does not? Or maybe the difference isn't human caused, but caused by a different variant, as Israel was hit by a variant that causes strong natural immunity, and the other group was not? Again, we just don't know.

As the infographic does state, there is little harm in getting the vaccine, even if previously infected. The vaccine, at worst, will work as a booster and give you additional immunity.

And anyone who says the question of vaccine versus natural immunity has already been answered definitively is wrong. Too many conflicting studies, too many variables, and not enough time and data to make a call at this point.

 

This is why some are resistant to get their kids vaccinated for this.

 

Actually, the data is straight from clinicians around the state with zero ambiguity. Not sure why you are disparaging the health system for the state of Oklahoma? Seems weird. As for whatever studies you are referencing, I have not read one single paper that suggested immunity lasted for ever. We have know from the very beginning people get reinfected just as they get infected despite being vaccinated. Those are facts, not guesses, estimations or hypotheses. The only ambiguities are how long and how severe.

 

100%, there are many saying the vaccine gives better immunity no evidence to that statement.
The sheet above mentions natural immunity may not work on variants, the same is true for vaccines, hence the possible need for boosters and new vaccines.

 

No, I'm not saying being vaccinated is better than natural immunity. But at least I'm intelligent enough to understand a study. You read the study, got the numbers wrong, and posted it because you thought it supported your narrative. Embarrassing. Better luck next time.

 

Interesting that these countries are allowing the Pfizer vaccine for kids 12 and older because the incidents of heart conditions like myocarditis is less for Pfizer than it is for Moderna. Moderna also posted a response saying the rate of incidence is very low, and almost all cases are mild, with no long term issues.

I understand the hesitancy, but the chances for myocarditis or some other complication from Pfizer in kids 12 and older is very low. And to date, there have been no deaths in the US resulting from the vaccine. Can't say that about COVID.

 

Nope. Everything you said was wrong except the first sentence. This is like the school closure and lockdown arguments all over again. It's ok to admit you were wrong. Easy to do. Just have the courage to do it.