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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. slightlyskeptic

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    Yeah, cases have dropped off as predicted. Thank goodness. With each one of these spikes things seem to go from calm to hair on fire within a few days and they pretty much stay that way working up to when things peak at about 3-4 weeks when everything gets stretched to the breaking point and then all of the sudden a welcomed reprieve. We've been through 3 of these spikes so far and everyone has become accustomed to the drill. Still, it doesn't make them any easier.
     
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  2. BLING

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    This person refused vaccine, doesn’t want the ER, doesn’t want antibody treatment. All early interventions that work best against severe illness.

    So I guess “thoughts and prayers”.

    He’s basically leaving it to a roll of the dice. Once you have severe COVID there isn’t much they can do.
     
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  3. BLING

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    It was also predicted by the modeling a few weeks ago that it would peak (in FL) around mid September. I guess even without the forecasting models you could look at the course the prior peaks ran and do some inferences.

    Probably a bit of human behavior kicking in as well, some people pulling back a bit or choosing to get vaccinated - pushing us closer towards some sort of herd immunity.
     
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  4. Gator515151

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    I was kind of shocked earlier this week. I spent Monday, Tues and Wed in the hospital at ORMC and things were dead there. My wife took me to the ER on Labor day about 6 PM and I walked right up, checked in and was taken straight to a room. There was not a single person in the waiting area. Later that evening they took me to a regular room and I saw almost nobody in the halls. They put me in a double room and the other guy was released early Tues morning and that bed stayed vacant the next two days. They did a half dozen tests on me and there was no wait on any of them. As soon as the Dr ordered a test it was done within 2 hrs. I really expected the place to be over crowded but it was just the opposite.
     
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  5. slightlyskeptic

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    Yeah, pretty much. By the time you get to the full pneumonia stage it's mainly up to your immune system. You can do things like proning and using incentive spirometers, flutter valves and breathing treatments to help and blood thinners to prevent clots, but for the most part the main battle is taking place among the T-cells and antibodies.
     
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  6. RIP

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    Update for those that remember me posting about a young ICU nurse and her sick father. He passed away 15 minutes before she gave birth. He died alone and unbearably miserable. He was 41. Get the freaking vax.
     
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  7. antny1

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    Can't make him go. Too stubborn. If I'm able to speak with him personally then maybe its possible since thats what I do. As a medic I sometimes have to be blunt and graphic when people who need to go try to refuse.

    Had a guy in SVT with a heart rate of 220 at rest who was adamant he wasn't going to the hospital. I asked him why and he said he didn't like hospitals and if he got worse he'd call us back. I told him WHEN not if your friends call us back you will be in cardiac arrest because your heart is beating as fast as if I was running an all out sprint and that when your heart gives out we will perform CPR on you which involves breaking your ribs. If we are able to get you back you will be bedridden in the hospital for weeks if not longer and might have brain damage. He finally agreed to go and we converted his rate down to around 100 with 6mg of adenosine.

    Often times the people who need to go to the hospital the most are the most reluctant to.
     
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  8. antny1

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    So on another note about this sudden total distrust of medicine and medical practices. We just got a call for an allergic reaction. 9.5 times out of 10 these are not true allergic reactions or emergencies but in this case it was. Patient simply hugged someone and broke out in hives and felt their tongue swelling. Patient also happens to have a history of seizures which complicated the call a bit. The point is the patient got doses of ipratropium, albuterol, epinephrine, versed and solumedrol. The combination of drugs saved their life.

    I wonder if the same people who have taken such a passionate stance against vaccines and other meds because they "don't know whats in them" or because so and so pharmaceutical company is part of some conspiracy would object to these medications as well.....

    The sudden distrust of mainstream medicine is so hypocritical and bizzare to me.
     
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  9. flgator2

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    I just read the survey and that's all it is a guess I don't believe one bit that 96% have been vaccinated. I know shands hasn't forced it's workers to be vaccinated yet, truthfully I don't think they can afford to, they already have a shortage of nurses. I lot of nurses are leaving the hospitals and becoming Traveling nurses and making big bucks doing it
     
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  10. flgator2

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    Mandating Vaccine: What to Do if You Want To Legally Opt-Out For School or Business of Forced Vaccinations [My Audio Interview with Attorney Brad Dacus] Mandating Vaccine: What to Do if You Want To Legally Opt-Out For School or Business of Forced Vaccinations [My Interview with Attorney Brad Dacus] (electionforum.org)

    I recently sat down and discussed forced COVID-19 vaccinations and how people are legally opting out with attorney Brad Dacus of the Pacific Justice Institute

    Today, millions of dollars and one-sided propaganda is being spent to promote COVID-19 vaccinations – even to children.

    And people are now being pressured to prove that they have received the vaccine to go to school or work – even if it is against their will.

    Sen. Rand Paul, just like many of other medical doctors, believes the science and data says if you already had COVID, then your health is in danger if you receive the vaccination.

    For those individuals that have received the vaccine and have already had COVID, they actually have a greater risk of experiencing medical reactions to the vaccine.

    If you had COVID-19 and are in a situation where you are being pressured to get the vaccine by your employer or school and you have had COVID-19, it is recommended that you do the following: You can get an antibody test and a letter from the doctor.

    This letter can state that it is recommended that you not receive the vaccine due to potential “medical reactions” that can take place – then you can take this letter back to your employer or school.

    This will increase the potential liability on an employer if they are still mandating that an employee is vaccinated.

    Also under the American Disabilities Act you can get a medical exemption and get a doctor’s opinion from another state (outside of California) – then you can make a claim under the ADA.
     
  11. flgator2

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    Two of my employees caught covid, then pneumonia both recovered thank goodness. they each missed almost 3 weeks of work. I know one of them was given monoclonal antibody therapy and he recovered a lot faster than the other . Why would they not give that to all patient's ?
     
  12. ncargat1

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    There is only a smallish window that MAB's are highly effective. They are usually only given in the first phase of the disease to inhibit viral replication. Once that phase is over, they are of limited value. However, that does not mean the disease is finished. It then progresses through a pulmonary phase and then an inflammatory phase. By the time the disease progresses into the later part of the pulmonary and then inflammatory phase, it is too late for MABs to be of much benefit. Here is a really good link showing the disease progression for anyone interested in the details:

    COVID-19 disease progression
     
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  13. duchen

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    Being well with antibodies is not a violation of the ADA
     
  14. G8trGr8t

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    you and lots of the rest of the world too.
     
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  15. WESGATORS

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    Numbers continuing to trend downward in Alachua County

    9/13 census:

    268 COVID adult inpatients (down 41% from peak 24 days ago)
    101 COVID ICU (down 40% from peak 26 days ago)
    5 COVID pediatric inpatients

    Go GATORS!
    ,WESGATORS
     
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  16. l_boy

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    You know what, I'm fine with this. If you want to go to the trouble of getting a medical doctor to say you have natural immunity, and a vaccination is dangerous to your health (which is absolutely bull shit), have at it. That's good enough for me.
     
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  17. RIP

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    Exactly. I know a 38 year old male (unvaxxed) who was hospitalized. He refused MAB therapy because in his mind the were trying to sneak in the vaccine as well. Unbelievable. A friend finally convinced him to try it, but it was too late. Now he's on a ventilator and fading quickly.
     
  18. g8trjax

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    Man, biden's gonna label you a domestic terrorist for posting that stuff.
     
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  19. AzCatFan

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    Found out yesterday I have a second cousin, mid 50's, unvaxxed, in the hospital. Got to him quick enough that he's received the monoclonal antibodies. Oxygen levels are still low, and not out of the woods yet, but slowly improving. Found out because his brother has been calling everyone in the family to find out if we are vaccinated or not, and plead with us to get if we are not vaxxed.

    Happy to see Florida's numbers are declining, but other parts of the country are now peaking. In Arizona, we are seeing a post-Labor Day surge, and two of the major hospital groups in Phoenix are out of ICU beds. We probably won't see our peak here for another week or two, and hopefully will look better come Oct 1. @gator95, weren't you claiming in July we wouldn't be talking about Delta in September based on UK results? And I reminded you we are a much bigger country, geographically, and there will still be major parts of the US who won't peak until September or October?
     
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  20. gator95

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    Not what I said. I said we wouldn't be hearing about Delta in the south in October because my assumption was that other parts of the country would get hit with Delta while the south would drop like India and other countries did. You are way off in your assumption. Thanks for informing me that we are a bigger country, geographically. Learn something new every day...
     
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