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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. philnotfil

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    After two teachers died of Covid-19 in a week, a Texas school district implements mask mandate - CNN

    A Texas school district that closed for a week after two junior high school teachers died from Covid-19 within a few days, is now requiring masks inside all of its facilities as the community is seeing surge of new cases, hospitalizations and deaths.

    Connally ISD, in McLennan County, shut down all of its campuses on August 31 due to an increase of Covid-19 cases and rising absences by students and staff.

    It announced last week that students, staff and visitors would have to wear masks in all schools and district buildings when in-person classes resumed on Tuesday after the scheduled Labor Day holiday.
     
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  2. philnotfil

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    4 Steps to Fix Florida’s Broken Unemployment Insurance Program

     
  4. QGator2414

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    This vaccine has not prevented spread based on the data.

    Probably should be expected since it was rushed to market and sent to the masses.

    We are not talking about a vaccine with years and years of research to work out the issues.
     
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  5. BLING

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    It obviously isn't "lifetime immunity" because there have already been re-infections. That isn't even speculation, that is 100% certain fact. Re-infections are not possible or are extremely rare with those diseases that do have lifetime immunity. Reinfections with COVID are perhaps not "common", but you can hardly call it rare.

    What is not known is if the tendency will be for drastically reduced hospitalizations over the long term for those who get re-infected, or how variants will impact what happens with re-infections. It truly can go either way. Nobody knows. The best case, if this virus is to be endemic, will be that it finally mutates to something that infects people but tends to not send nearly as many to the hospital. But THAT is speculation.
     
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    And don't look now but Great Britain is getting great again... No more vaccine passports or phony covid test that are completely inaccurate... There is sanity in Europe after all. Cracks in the NWO armor? Let's hope so...

    "British Prime Minister Boris Johnson will set out on Tuesday his plans to manage the COVID-19 pandemic in the winter months, announcing a decision to scrap the introduction of vaccine passports and steps to end some emergency powers."

    "Johnson, under fire from some in his governing Conservative Party for raising taxes to fix a health and social care crisis, looks set to try to soothe those critics by ditching plans to introduce passports despite an increasing number of coronavirus cases."


    "Speaking to broadcasters, Health Minister Sajid Javid said he did not anticipate more lockdowns and that the vaccine passports would not be introduced in England, as the government depends instead on vaccines and testing to defend the public."


    "Now that we're entering autumn and winter ... the prime minister this week will be setting out our plans to manage COVID over the coming few months and in that we will be making it clear that our vaccine program is working," Javid told Sky News."



    No Vaccine Passports: UK PM to Set Out Winter COVID-19 Plan

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  7. gator95

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  8. l_boy

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    Any medical professional refusing the vax shouldn't be practicing medicine anyway. Good riddance.
     
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  9. Gatorrick22

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    ~ Continued~

    He told the BBC he was not "anticipating any more lockdowns" but would not take the measure off the table, that the government would not go ahead with vaccine passports to allow people to attend mass events and he wanted to "get rid of" PCR tests for travelers as soon as possible.


    'LOT OF VIRUS AROUND'


    Javid added the government would remain "cautious," but "the vaccine program, our testing program, our surveillance program, the new treatments ... this is all our wall of defense and whilst there's a lot of virus around, it is working."


    The night-time industry welcomed the U-turn on vaccine passports, with Michael Kill, the chief executive of the Night Time Industries Association (NTIA) trade body, saying he hoped businesses would be able to "start to rebuild a sector that has consistently been at the sharp end of this pandemic."


    The government also said it expected Britain's Joint Committee for Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) to confirm the details of a vaccination booster program to begin this month
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  10. Gatorrick22

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    IT'S NOT A VACCINE? When will you learn that?

    And the tests proved in Britain to have an 80% false positives... That's test that needs to go away.
     
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  11. gator95

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    Some people yes, but a ridiculously small amount of reinfections. So yes, some might have lifetime immunity. We just don’t know. You can’t talk in absolutes when you don’t have the data. Just like those with mask mandates. There are zero peer reviewed RCT mask studies that show masks work. We had 3 teaching staff in Miami die from covid because they thought masking would be safe even though they weren’t vaccinated. That’s on our media for convincing people masks work. They don’t. The teacher in SF that infected half the masked class shows that. IF masks worked, there wouldn’t be 50% of the class of kids testing positive. Also, don’t quarantine any kids from school. Stay home if sick and get tested if showing symptoms. Otherwise, treat covid like the flu for kids. Not that hard.
     
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  12. Gatorrick22

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    The country of Sweden knows...
     
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  13. GatorJMDZ

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    Recognizing that you moved the goalposts from these two being able to somehow demand their jobs back to "hey, they can apply for unemployment," entitlement to unemployment compensation benefits has nothing to do with an employer's right to fire without cause. I was 100% correct and you were 0% correct. Thanks for playing, though.
     
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  14. BLING

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    One thing they likely would have ironed out if they had more time was the optimal dosing. I think everything was slanted towards safety with these mRNA vaccines, which is why they were both 2 shot regimens where you got 2 identical shots - instead of 1 (stronger) single dose vaccine.

    The Pfizer shots each apparently only give 30 micrograms (μg) of vaccine, whereas the Moderna shot uses a 100 μg dose per. I would speculate this could be why the Pfizer shot has proven to slightly underperform the Moderna which is holding up stronger, even against Delta variant. The Pfizer shot was effectively a more diluted dose. They slanted more towards "safety", but the Moderna shot has also proven safe, so likely Pfizer should have been just as safe to go with a higher dose regimen to produce a stronger immune reaction. Of course the makeup of the vaccines aren't identical, so that doesn't mean the optimal number for Pfizer would be the exactly same, just that it likely could have gone higher.
     
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  15. AzCatFan

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    IT IS A VACCINE BECAUSE THE SHOT PROVOKES AN IMMUNE OUTSIDE
    RESPONSE BY THE BODY TO HELP FIGHT FUTURE INFECTION.

    The very definition of a vaccine. The word vaccine comes from the Latin word vacca which means cow. That's because doctors tested giving people a dose of cow pox to see if it helps against small pox. Which it did. Actually, horse pox was more likely the effective shot, so we should be calling it equiicine instead of vaccine.

    Regardless, anything that provokes the the body's immune response that helps against future infection can be called a vaccine. And that's exactly what the mRNA vaccines do. Now stop with the idiotic disinformation.
     
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  16. mutz87

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    If vaccines weren't preventing community spread, we'd expect to see equal rates of infection or only negligible (insignificant) differences.

    That's not what is happening.

    This is not a binary situation where vaccines need to prevent 100% to be considered effective. Depending on the specific data, the vaccinated tend to comprise around 25% or less of all new cases (and 10-12% of new hospitalizations and deaths).

    Here's a very recent CDC study out of NY, for example (w/similar numbers in LA County and Maryland as other examples):

    New York: May 3–July 25:

    New Cases: 48,180
    Fully Vaxxed: 9,675 (20%)
    Unvaxxed: 38,505 (80%)

    Weekly estimated VE against new laboratory-confirmed infection during May 3–July 25 for all age groups generally declined

    18-49: 90.6% to 74.6%
    50-64: 93.5% to 83.4%
    ≥65: 92.3% to 88.9%
    Overall: 91.7% to 79.8%

    In other words, vaccines dropped somewhat in their efficacy in preventing the spread of covid, but they are still doing extremely well, especially compared to the spread among the unvaxxed.
     
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  17. philnotfil

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    For some context on that range of vaccine effectiveness of 75-94%, the Polio vaccine was about 90% effective after two doses. Which is why the protocol for the Polio vaccine is 3-4 doses, depending on which version of the vaccine is received.
     
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  18. mutz87

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    Thanks. And with covid, we will continue to see changing policy and approach to vaccinations--for instance, whether we'll need boosters or not. Thing with polio is that it was around for decades but like with covid, a new vaccination will take time to get it *fully* right, though it will always be subject to having to tweak things given the tendency of viruses to mutate and as you note, to work out proper dosage.
     
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  20. buckeyegator

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    glad your crystal ball can see into the future and assure no bad complications.people say follow the science and yet when trained doctors and nurses question the science they are called irresponsible, can't be both ways.