Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Pay walled .

 

Come on my friend, the data do show that vaccines reduce the spread of covid, although not quite as well with the delta variant and not quite as well in protecting against serious illness, hospitalizations and deaths.

I honestly don't know why you keep saying that they don't.

 

Even at 76% that is damn good compared to no protection

 

One word: agenda

 

It's actually better than anyone hoped for before the fist results came out and showed 90% efficacy in the clinical trial.

I remember alot of people were using the flu vaccine as a benchmark, and those are only about 50% effective depending on the year and the strain.

 

Two words: Deranged agenda.

 

I think q is earnest in his belief but ntl ideology is preventing him from viewing this as it needs to be viewed.

 

Yeah, they are kicking ass overall, even if losing some protection potency among some groups (elderly, those with particular illnesses). It sorta blows my mind how some have turned small reductions in effectiveness into "they don't work!"

The flu vaccine can be hit or miss given that multiple strains appear every flu season w/authorities trying to predict the dominant ones so that the proper flue vaxx is produced.

 

This data is very consistent with recent Israeli studies showing most adults under 80 years old were about 90% effective against hospitalization and those over 80 were about 80% effective against hospitalization.

 

A study of U.S. veterans fully vaccinated with Pfizer and Moderna found no real change in vaccine effectiveness against hospitalization pre-delta to post-delta. A second study of all three vaccines across nine states found vaccine effectiveness against hospitalization was 86% for all age groups. A third study of all three vaccines across 13 jurisdictions found vaccines performed roughly equally well protecting against hospitalization and death during the delta surge compared to pre-delta.

 

I think he looks for something to justify his selfishness and he finds it. The fact that he repeatedly trots it out here for evisceration shows that he doesn’t really believe it.

 

i'm part of that 70.6%

 

Alabama man dies from cardiac event after 43 hospitals turn him away

The family of a man who died of heart issues in Mississippi is asking people to get vaccinated for COVID-19 after 43 hospitals across three states were unable to accept him because of full cardiac ICUs.

Ray Martin DeMonia died last week in Meridian, Mississippi. He was three days shy of his 74th birthday and a well-known native in Cullman, Alabama, his family said.

DeMonia suffered from a cardiac event, and emergency staff at Cullman Regional Medical Center had to bring him to the nearest available bed, which was nearly 200 miles away at a Mississippi hospital.

 

Crikey. And to think some poster today told me the covid delta situation is currently "manageable".

 

God why didn’t you save me.

God, I sent you 3 freaking vaccines

 

The reason the state was opened by DeSantis was the effectiveness of the vaccines. The idea is that the reduced risk of infection or serious infection reduces the risk to individuals who have already had an immune response and to society, in the form of more severe illness and hospitalization. And that holds— the risk of the vaccinated of severe disease or death is 11 times less than to the unvaccinated. Society can function robustly if the risk is reduced to a cold or mild illness, with some exceptions like any disease. So, yes, If we reached herd immunity levels, it would end OK for everyone to be out with no restrictions. And. It isn’t the fault of the vaccinated that we are not there. You are asking for the vaccinated to act to protect the unvaccinated who choose not to be vaccinated because both “spread” the disease. You scream personal choice, yet are willing to blame those who choose to be vaccinated for the consequences to those who make the choice to assume the higher risk of severe illness and death. It is the non-stop shifting of positions she have seen from the right. You have been anti mask anti lockdown and diminished the seriousness of the disease. Bad yet you blame the vaccinated. The vaccinated are not responsible for the poor choices made by the unvaccinated.

 

The risk to health care workers of spread and from the personal choices of the unvaccinated has a real price

 

I have not blamed the vaccinated for anything. I have stood for people to make the decision that is best for them.

It is frustrating seeing you write something so wrong. I guess bias causes you to believe what you want to believe?

 

There are definitely two sides of ntl ideology happening with this issue. The difference for me is I don’t think one is right or wrong to view it the way they do. And it is scary that some are willing to support authoritarian moves to force people to act in the way they view things.

 

Feel better?