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I'm sure that's just one county. Can't possibly be happening in any other counties...

Thanks for proving my point for me about you not apologizing for accusing a poster of making up data.

 

So I was wondering when the liberal media was going to place Covid ahead of the Spanish Flu and it's slowly being mentioned now.

What Matters: Biden's six-step Covid plan, explained - CNNPolitics

With more than 100,000 hospitalized Americans, the number of deaths -- almost certainly an undercount -- will continue to rise above the 653,000 current total. It seems sure to eclipse the death total from the 1918 influenza pandemic and is far greater than every US conflict except the Civil War.

Of course if you are looking at face value, Covid will surpass the Spanish Flu in overall numbers in the US. But that's crappy reporting, to make sure your agenda is always right. Yep, 650,000 people lost their lives in the US during the Spanish Flu pandemic. But, Covid deaths compared to the population needs to almost triple before it eclipses the Spanish Flu. You see, in 1918, the US population was about 103,000,000 or less than a third of what it is now. To compare apples to apples, Covid deaths in the US would need to surpass 2 million to be equivalent to the Spanish Flu. Globally, Covid would need to kill between 120,000,000 and 550,000,000.

 

The Surprisingly Strong Supreme Court Precedent Supporting Vaccine Mandates

Henning Jacobson, a 50-year-old minister, put his faith in his own liberty. Back in his native Sweden, he had suffered a bad reaction to a vaccine as an infant, struggling for years with an angry rash. Now he was an American citizen, serving as pastor of the Swedish Lutheran Church in Cambridge, Massachusetts. That gave him the full protections of the U.S. Constitution.

So when the Cambridge board of health decided that all adults must be vaccinated for smallpox, Jacobson sought refuge in the Constitution’s promise that no state shall “deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law.”

The year was 1904, and when his politically charged legal challenge to the $5 fine for failing to get vaccinated made its way to the Supreme Court, the justices had a surprise for Rev. Jacobson. One man’s liberty, they declared in a 7-2 ruling handed down the following February, cannot deprive his neighbors of their own liberty — in this case by allowing the spread of disease. Jacobson, they ruled, must abide by the order of the Cambridge board of health or pay the penalty.

“There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good,” read the majority opinion. “On any other basis, organized society could not exist with safety to its members. Society based on the rule that each one is a law unto himself would soon be confronted with disorder and anarchy.”

 

The 30%-40% was for Howard County. Which given the low number of hospitalized covid patients on any given day in the last few months in Howard County, MD (roughly between 10 - 20 patients), even at 40% vaxxed, it is in the single digits (which is to say percentages vary much more as a result of small absolute changes).

Maryland's percentages of hospitalizations as a whole is considerably lower out of far more cases. Should note too that the percent of Howard Co fully vaccinated (70.6%) is well above the MD (56%) and US percentages (51%)

 

How are they "placing it ahead" of the spanish flu? It's simply saying the same number of people will have died from it. Amazing to me that you ANTICPATE getting your panties in a wad over something like this from the "liberal media."

 

Every one of those "vaccines" has breakthrough cases. I don't give a shit about semantics. The SHOT saves lives.

 

Interesting Preprint study on myocarditis in boys from getting the vaccine. I know the studies limitations, but this data along with data from Europe is why many European countries aren't having kids under 18 get the vaccine. This is why I haven't gotten my kids vaccinated yet. Too much we don't know. Not worth the risk for something that is almost zero risk to my teenage kids.


SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccination-Associated Myocarditis in Children Ages 12-17: A Stratified National Database Analysis



"For boys 12-15 without medical comorbidities receiving their second mRNA vaccination dose, the rate of CAE is 3.7-6.1 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk as of August 21, 2021 (7-day hospitalizations 1.5/100k population) and 2.6-4.3-fold higher at times of high weekly hospitalization risk (2.1/100k), such as during January 2021. For boys 16-17 without medical comorbidities, the rate of CAE is currently 2.1-3.5 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk, and 1.5-2.5 times higher at times of high weekly COVID-19 hospitalization. Conclusions: Post-vaccination CAE rate was highest in young boys aged 12-15 following dose two. For boys 12-17 without medical comorbidities, the likelihood of post vaccination dose two CAE is 162.2 and 94.0/million respectively. This incidence exceeds their expected 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization rate at both moderate (August 21, 2021 rates) and high COVID-19 hospitalization incidence."

 

Agree.

It's not unfair to compare the absolute number of deaths. Also not apples to oranges as real is suggesting since it's questionable as to whether differences in total population sizes of such large magnitudes (101m and 328m) has any meaningful effects on the spread of an infection & deaths. Plus, we have made great advances in healthcare & public health such that death tolls are likely affected by these advances.

 

You seriously sit around and wonder about arcane crap like that?

Have you considered a hobby?

 

Science always changes. It is not an earthshattering change of definition as you seem to believe. Breakthrough cases are enhanced because of the variant, which is around in part because of people not getting vaxxed. How many people you know died from smallpox or polio regardless of which definition?

 

Kind of apples to oranges. They are comparing incidences of CAE, most of which resolve non eventfully, to hospitalizations with 120 days.

 

Not Maryland. 2 counties. And the article does not identify the vaccination rates on those counties. Still, in those counties, 70% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated. Need to know the percentage of vaccinated there to evaluate the data.

 

Well yeah, relative numbers are more meaningful than absolutes, but what they are presenting is still true, and is this issue of presentation really that important?

 

How long does your immunity last? And when did you have COVID?

 

Disagree. I don't want any risk of a CAE or a hospitalization for my kids. So the best thing for me and my family is to wait. Find me someone who is ok with their teen having a CAE. Good luck.

 

Thanks. That would account for a higher hospitalization rate among the vaccinated Than where it is a 50-50 breakdown.

 

Exactly. I just edited my post to point out how with small absolute numbers, percentages will vary much more.

In Howard County's case, the most covid patients they've had hospitalized in the past month on any given day is 20 patients.

At 40% vaxxed, that means 8 patients. At 20% vaxxed, it would mean 4.

 

Another poster passing along absurd click bait argument. Call it a shot. Who cares, given the national statistics on hospitalizations and deaths among those who got the shots and those who didn’t? The change in definition doesn’t change the vaccine. The flu shot has a lower prevention rate than the COVID shots. And the COVID shots do see breakthrough cases. If you want to be informed, you would be better off getting yourself out of the echo chamber that disinforms you

 

A lot of times this true, but not necessarily here unless we think that population size differences of two extremely large populations has some effect on the number of people who died. If not, it's quite meaningful to look t absolute numbers.

 

BALTIMORE —

While state data shows the vast majority of Marylanders currently hospitalized with COVID-19 are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, the percentage of people fully vaccinated is ticking upward.

This is exactly what you would expect as more people, as in a higher percentage, get vaxed. It's simple math.