Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Check the vaccines out for covid and get back to us.

You have to have a vaccine that is long lasting first. Then you need a lot of people to take it. That is how we may decades down the road eradicate it. However I think most believe right now (myself included) we are headed to endemic status.

 

With Delta, it's believed it will take 90% of the population to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity. That can be reached. That's the same number for measles. We were close to eradicating measles until the anti-vaxx nuts came on strong a few years ago. The result was several outbreaks a few years ago.

The polio vaccine was also suggested and given for forty years before that disease was considered completely gone. It will likely take that long for COVID, but any journey of 1000 miles begins with the first step. And that first step is getting everyone who is eligible vaccinated.

 

You’re never going to convince anyone here that your motives aren’t entirely shitty and selfish. We get it.

 

Maybe I have?

You can be as safe as you want. But it does not change the fact that you can pick it up. And the number one place it spreads is at the house. So it is pure theater except for the people who really do wear it at home.

With the way the vaccinated are spreading this thing I now pay attention to everyone even if they have sniffles. But even if I am around someone for a minute or two...I am not worried. End of the day I am sure you are fine at the house without a mask as it will not stop the spread. Just like you will be fine out in public without a mask. The reason the house is the most common place it spreads is because you are in the same place for an extended period of time. Honestly I think it takes more than 15 minutes most of the time because of the places it tends to spread.

 

One has to wonder how many graphs, charts, and statistics have to be shown to this poster until the point is understood that it is not "But it does not change the fact that you can pick it up." It is that if, by the greatly reduced chance that you do pick it up, the case is very reduced in severity and seldom fatal. AND if everyone would get vaccinated, the variants are largely controlled.

 

Dude, you and I must live in different worlds. Yes, if a person has had a covid exposure that puts them at risk for being infected (and by that, I mean extended contact with an known infected individual), they should isolate until they know for a fact they are not infected and at risk of spreading it. I don't understand how this can be up for debate. If one of my employees has ANY CHANCE of having covid, they should not be coming to the office until they know with certainty they don't. In fact, I'd be livid if they had such an exposure, and came in, putting their co-workers at risk. FWIW, one of my employees has been in the hospital with covid for 12 days now, struggling to keep his blood oxygen levels up. Thankfully, we've been largely working remotely, so he wasn't in the office leading up to his positive test, and didn't risk spreading it to the rest of the team. Thank god for that...

You seem to suggest we should just ignore exposures/risk and happily go about our business, blindly exposing our contacts to a potential covid infection. That's not how you get past a pandemic. Yes, we all hoped the vaccine would be some magic shield that would prevent infection and people becoming vectors for covid spread. That may have worked before delta, but that's not the reality we live in today. You said it yourself, vaccinated people can spread covid, even if they have a reduced risk of severe impacts and hospitalization. But if there's a chance they have it, they should isolate. It's really not that difficult.

 

To this point, I saw a stat over the weekend where North FL Hospital in GAINESVILLE had not had a single COVID hospitalization under the age of 34 (they have no pediatric support). 18-33 year olds, zero hospitalizations at NF. Before people get too upset over who is vaccinated and who isn't, start asking the hospitals to do a better job of reporting their data.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

This is something I have thought over and for now will change my approach. To be clear having argued on message boards for decades I don't recall one argument ever changing a mind, and in only a few instances over decades have I seen posters fundamentally changing their overall POV.

The debate is not to change a mind per se. It is to construct a superior set of facts, logic and other arguments to satisfy yourself, and anybody else who may be looking. But even that is a fools errand, depending on the audience. You can produce the best argument on the planet, get dislikes, and somebody else "ST$U lib!!!" And gets 546 likes.

So no, being nice to people who are willfully ignorant isn't going to change their mind. But I've decided that arguing with them doesn't help either, and actually gives them more attention. So I am going to *try* to ignore those who are not making good faith arguments. For my own sanity. Whether I succeed or not remains to be seen. I may even have to resort to ignore, which I generally don't like to do.

 

Widow of Unvaccinated Police Officer Killed by COVID Warns Virus 'Will Destroy You' (msn.com)

 

Blessed is the True Judge

 

I don't disagree with a lot of this. Minus the idea that you somehow think I suggest we should ignore exposure/risk. That is just your bias against me for disagreeing with my positions compared to yours as I have never insinuated that people should ignore risk. We take it very seriously. There has to be a sense of practicality as we navigate this and take exposure seriously. Doctors and nurses are exposed daily. They could not work if they need quarantine every time they are exposed. That said...in certain circumstances some might need to take a Covid test before working. Maybe even a couple days in a row depending on the situation.

 

This is why there are many (and many who actually should highly consider getting the vaccine due to being high risk) have not gotten the vaccine. The trust has been lost.

 

Eacambia county hospitalizations down from around 390 a week ago to 330. Good sign. Hopefully delta burning out a bit.

 

The trust has been actively destroyed to achieve political goals.

 

I like that we're finding some common ground!

You seemed to be mocking the idea of a vaccinated person quarantining, that's really what I was responding to there.

In my mind, doctors and nurses are trained medical professionals. They should be wearing properly fitted N95s in that environment. That means they can come into contact with a covid patient, and not be considered "exposed" or required to quarantine.

 

Some on this board...not the ones spewing hate mind you...certainly contributed via links and data to my choice to get the shot. Sure I verified things on my own, but this board had a couple honest posters that certainly impacted me. The amount of data presented here is very helpful. The hatefulness is not.

 

Agree. The CDC lying to us about masks comes to mind. Now we have senior FDA officials quitting because the WH was pushing the 3rd shot before the FDA ruled on it.

 

I am glad you did. You are the exception. And you've proven to be more open minded about things on other issues.

At this point those that are still posting disinformation are not likely to be changed. They only way they may change is
- they see somebody they care about get sick or die
- somebody from their cultural tribe advocates for the vax, and it happens to break through.
- the inconvenience of day to day life due to vaccine mandates or protocols becomes too much to bear.

 

Hear! Hear!

Participating in TH for years and NOT having any of your viewpoints changed seems weird to me, but I understand many are here just to flame. As much as I may post, I read 100x as much. Then reflect.

 

I was mocking the nfl policy that only unvaccinated players have to quarantine. I definitely did not specify my point.

And while I agree to a point with the N95…right now the exposure is off the charts for so many inside and outside a hospital/medical setting and even then the exposure risk is there. Which is why we have to have some practicality. I think we would both agree if someone has a known extended direct contact they should test before they show up at work or quarantine. If they test negative and have no symptoms I think that they should be able to work but be on guard to leave. In some cases I think some would need to test daily depending on the situation. We have multiple kits. Already went through quite a few at the office.