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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. Gatorrick22

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  2. mutz87

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    Well the Japanese are extremely compliant and while they've seen a spike, they have still fared far better than the US with all of our freedomnista anti-maskers/vaxxers. The US has had more than 11x infections and over 15x deaths per 1k pop than Japan.

    So yeah, maybe their mask compliance had something to do with them doing far better than the US.
     
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  4. mutz87

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    A 2017 study about ivermectin is not evidence of effectiveness in treating covid. It can't be. Effect can't come before the cause. Also, Japan just greenlit ivermectin, so claiming it's working is the same fundamental error as claiming causation in the 2017 study would be.
     
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  5. philnotfil

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    Japan didn't greenlight Ivermectin, there is a doctor calling for a greenlight for Ivermectin in Japan.
     
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    Ron the scientist
    Ron the statistician
    Ron the intellectual
    Ron the academic
    Ron the education advocate

    One of these should stick.
     
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  7. philnotfil

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    Population adjusted, they have fewer cases and deaths than any other developed country other than Taiwan, New Zealand, and Australia.
     
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    Respectfully disagree: It wasn't nasty. I like Rick too, but his covid takes .....err.....call for a certain degree of fact checking.
     
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  9. mutz87

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    Thanks! Kind of makes it even less valid a claim.

    What gets me about all of this is that like with HQC, people are jumping on these shiny new supposed treatments as if they are unquestionably effective despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, making them at best, mixed. But worse, they're doing so while ignoring the risks involved and while dismissing vaccines, which have been demonstrated to be highly effective. From where I sit, I see hella lot of confusion
     
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  10. duchen

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    The risks of Ivermectin are overdoses and that it doesn't work. It works on parasites and would work on opportunistic parasites that cause secondary infections.

    It is ironic that vaccines work, but people would rather take their chances, get sick, and rely on a drug being used experimentally without scientific support.
     
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  11. duchen

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    My message is for all the posters who are nasty to him. The reply I addressed was borderline and not nice. An earlier one was nasty.
     
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    Thanks. I hadn't looked at the full world comparisons for quite some time. I can say this, though, many Japanese are ntl dispirited by how "not well" they've been doing by their own standards and expectations.
     
  13. antny1

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    Nailed it. Same people asking for longitudinal studies on vaccines are ready to call anything and everything else a definitive cure. I guarantee that wouldn't be the case if certain political affiliations weren't pushing those same meds. That's my issue.
     
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  14. mutz87

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    Hard not to see the political motivation behind eschewing vaxxing but jumping on unproven treatments.

    By the way, one of the side effects of this politicization?

    Texas sees 550% spike in poison calls for horse and cow dewormer, despite FDA warning: There’s no clear evidence from any major study ivermectin helps treat COVID-19 and the FDA has warned against taking it.
     
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    That's inconvenient data and will be ignored.
     
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    So, Ivermectin became the grift of choice of a group called America's Frontline Doctors after they couldn't get the rubes to buy any more hydroxychloroquine.

    But they were overcharging the poor rubes who are already broke from the recurring Trump campaign donations being pulled automatically from their bank accounts each week. When the rubes started going broke, they started scouring the vet stores for the animal version.

    So that's how we ended up with thousands of idiots taking this deworming medicine for Covid.
     
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  17. antny1

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    Asking someone to fact check their repeated drive by links and then not entertaining the widely medically accepted treatments in the interest of debate is not borderline. I agree some other comments were including one I liked which I probably should not have.
     
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    Seems you did not read the post two hours ago that completely shot down the GNEWS tripe. Unless somehow referring to it again gives it more credence? SMH
     
  19. gator95

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    Well, the main reason is japan is significantly healthier than the US. That is the most plausible answer, but that doesn’t make for internet talking points. Go look at the average person in the hospital from covid. Vast majority are obese. Also most Asian countries shut down travel to china right away while the US didn’t. Why aren’t masks stopping covid? I thought they worked? We have idiots in the CDC who said masks are more important that the vaccine.
     
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  20. dangolegators

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    Looks like the deaths in FL are running around 300 reported per day. And we probably have a few more weeks at or near that level based on current case counts. Horrific.