Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

The empirical observations now are kids catching it. Camps and schools open now. Kids in hospitals at higher rates than before. Whatever the changes are, the argument that kids don’t spread a virus ignore that it is the characteristics of the virus that cause it to spread, not the host. In any event, you can’t wait for data; u the time you have data, kids are sick and spread it. As we are seeing now. Ironic, isn’t it, that People object to a vaccine or other public health measures as a giant experiment, but are willing to run social experiments on the spread of an infectious disease that has filled up ICUs. But that’s the world today.

 

I think most of it was fact, but the assertion it would just be a flu, is not one we can know for sure. I think that is what he was referencing. I agree with everything else you wrote 100% and assume the flu part would be likely as well. I just think "possible" is a fair assessment of that theory.

 

That isn't his point. His point is that we have a better overall immunity than some think AND that the vax may not be needed if you already had it, at least as long as you have a strong showing of natural antibodies.

 

5% of people over 70 don't die. 5% of the very low number of people who actually get covid die, and many of them were very sick already.
None of that makes it something to ignore, but it is not like 5% of the population over 70 is dying from Covid.

 

RIP, See THIS is not mentioned enough. Again, this is the issue I have with "strategies" around here.
People making hateful accusations about killing children etc earn the deaf ear.

Real conversations about secondary complications are what need to happen more often. I think far more people can relate to the thought of that.

 

“very few people actually get covid”,

Does that statement hold up???

 

That is not really true in every case. The ADA is pretty broad in the workplace and moves outside of just protected classes.

 

Roughly 5%-10% who get tested actually have it (depending on surges etc). Most of the untested do not have it. But lets say that 5% of people over 70 have Covid (That's on the high end), and that only 5% or those folks die. That means 95% of the 5% will not die. And basically 0% of the healthy 95% will die. These are rough estimated numbers, but the number ...while important... is still (relatively) few.

 

For some reason people aren't very good at reading comprehension on this site. I have always advocated for anyone over 18 to be vaccinated. I've been against children getting vaxxed for sure. And last fall we knew natural immunity was very very effective against reinfection. So all i'm saying is those who ALREADY have had covid don't need to be vaccinated. Not sure why this is an argument, but that's what some of these people live for. Arguing the dumbest things into oblivion.

 

You shoulda stayed out of the thread (party). This adds nothing.

 

Discounting people with conspiracy concerns is dangerous. The problem is the conspiracy POV's have become as widespread and multi faceted as the real info. It is somewhat confusing.
ESPECIALLY for the single mom or dad that doesn't have the time to really dive in and study this stuff. Their friend heard this, or this facebook post said that, or this text from their nurse friend said this.

The misinformation machine is working. I don't blame everyone falling for it as much as I blame the machine and those driving it.

 

Yeah...You Trump loving anti-vaxer you!

 

He works in a hospital every day and is aware of who is hesitant to get vaxed. Are you saying he is wrong?

 

Wait a darn minute! The Lightning threads were two of the greatest threads in the history of this site! #GOBOLTS!!!!!

 

WES, I think you are reading it right, but it only tells a part of the story. Those are "per case" numbers correct? What is missing is the fact that there are substantially less cases among the vaccinated to begin with, So if by the off chance you get a breakthrough case THEN the above numbers kick in and they are still much better than this unvaxed who contract covid. According to your link, 75% of all cases are unvaxed and THEN the numbers above kick in.

The 75% of cases being among unvaxed number is the key part of the data.

 

Why do you harp on this point, but also ignore the fact that he is a proponent for vaccines for anyone over 18 that has not had covid?
Your selective outrage and subsequent snark misses the mark when you take in the totality of 95's covid positioning.

 

Study on mask efficacy in the US.

"We did not observe association between mask mandates or use and reduced COVID-19 spread in US states. COVID-19 mitigation requires further research and use of existing efficacious strategies, most notably vaccination."

Mask mandate and use efficacy for COVID-19 containment in US States - eSciPub Journals

 

It actually is if anyone reads all his post. He has stated it countless times. Just like the ones who accuse him of being a Trump supporter...even though he never was. People get hung up on one position of posters at times. If I were 95 I would change my signature to "I support the vaccine and don't like Trump", just so it's in every single post.

 

Delta is infecting more kids. Delta is also sending more kids to the hospital. We are also seeing an increase spread of COVID in schools, again likely caused by Delta. While no study has been complete, all this suggests children are a cause for the spread of COVID if/when they are infected with the Delta variant.

Makes sense too. It is thought T-Cells, which children produce at high rates, help slow the wild type of COVID from spreading, which is why kids didn't get as sick as adults, who don't produce T-Cells at the same rate, or not at all, depending on age. With the wild type, the T-Cells stopped COVID from making enough copies in children for them to shed any significant amount of viral particles. But with Delta, which copies itself much faster, T-Cells help, but may not be able to work fast enough to stop a child from spreading viral particles.

 

He might want to consider how what he says outside of those two statements leads people to believe he doesn't support masks and he does support Trump.