Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Even a waning vaccine that wasn't created to fight delta offers significant protection from getting sick in the first place. Somewhere between the 60% and 70% range. No vaccine offers zero protection. If all it takes is someone to get sick for the next variant to emerge, which set is more likely to produce the variant? 100 unvaccinated people who are exposed to the virus? Or 100 vaccinated people in the same, exact scenario as the unvaxxed 100? That's an easy answer.

There isn't unknown where you think there is. We know the number of people, of all ages, hospitalized with COVID, who are unvaccinated. We also know that under 60 years old, vaccinated, the risk of ending up in the hospital is close to 0%. So all those under 60, who are unvaccinated, would have likely not ended up in the hospital had they simply been vaccinated!

Again, let's simplify this. 100 people, between the age of 18 and 59, all unvaccinated, get exposed to the virus. We'll call this group A. Group B is all the same people, but all vaccinated, and then exposed to the virus. Which group has more people end up in the hospital? Group A. That's because Group B likely has 0 or no more than 1 person.

 

What treatments?

Being positive, about people's choices not to participate in just about all efforts to fight the disease?

If it takes a booster, big deal. You and others act as if there is a likely unknown serious long term risk to these vaccines. You frame everything as if that's a given, even though there is zero evidence for it, nor is there any historical precedent for vaccines having unknown long term side effects. Whatever side effects there are always identified early in the process.

So it seems like you see a vision where I get my vaccine, you take your horse paste, we smile, give each other high fives and move forward. Yeah, I don't think so.

 

Nonsense. The unvaccinated “neighbor” Is wrong for me. That is the nature of a highly contagious disease as serious as this one. You response to science with your personal philosophy. And, we are supposed to me nice to people who deny fact and science. Kumbaya to my unvaccinated neighbor who doesn’t where a mask. Just stay away from me if he or she wants to exercise the freedom to spread a contagious disease and increase risk for me.

 

people can't smoke within enclosed public areas. if they did, they would harm others. see how that works?

 

they have, or should have, credibility that they are trying to employ in the best way they know how. I can't imagine the level of frustration in the medical profession having to deal with the unvaccinated. unmasked people who are bringing this on themselves

 

They made a very powerful statement. That is what. If a bunch of doctors protest having to treat unvaccinated people and draw attention to the fact that the overwhelming majority of people in hospitals are unvaccinated, perhaps the publicity from that gesture will get through to people who can’t tell the difference between disinformation and facts. Doubtful though. Because nothing will work on most of those who still refuse to get vaccinated.

 

Have you?

 

No doubt. There are some things in which the whackier elements on the left share either their rw brethren

Thers a lot of alt med kooky types on the left.

 

Democrats were 88% vaccinated. That does seem high. Keep.in mind it is adults. But Looking at the numbers between republicans democrats and independents is roughly in line with adult percentages over 18 which looks to be around 70%.

U.S. COVID-19 vaccine tracker: See your state's progress

Over the last month or so blacks and Hispanics have been getting vaccinated disproportionately.

 

Anyone who uses the term "sheeple" at any time in their argument reveals the truth about their reluctance to understand how and why the vaccine works. Its not a health or science issue for someone who uses sheeple,fear etc etc

 

That would also be wrong of the doctors to do. I mean, we don't protest treating diabetics who continue to eat cake, heart failure patients who still smoke meth, etc. Some refuse to even believe that they have the diagnosis or that their choices led to it. Thus, I don't see why we should discriminate against COVID patients who refuse to get vaccinated or even believe that COVID is a real disease.

With that said, insurance companies can do whatever they want though. It's not unusual for some insurance companies to predicate continued coverage and rates on adherence to treatment, so I imagine they're also free to raise rates or terminate coverage for those who refuse to get vaccinated.

 

(1) yes
(2) yes, one segment that consistently goes overlooked is the folks who have had COVID and are still unsure about whether or not getting vaccinated is necessary; have you seen data on reinfection rates? Besides, not everybody who is hesitant is an unmovable object. I've also mentioned how some folks are more turned off by the mandates or ideas of mandates rather than the fundamental concept of the vaccines themselves and how helpful they are. I know you guys think I am naïve for thinking more data can be helpful; I think others are naïve for thinking that more data can't be helpful. If I'm wrong, we still have a more-informed populace...but what if you are wrong?
(3) by all means, please provide a link to answers that help with the questions that I have asked, I haven't found any to date

How about this, let's try to get the data out there, and then if it turns out to be useless or otherwise not change any opinions, then I'll yield to those of you who say it would not have helped. But there's a potential outcome that may exist that simply isn't being considered by many/most:

The data may be less condemning to specific groups, this means that folks within the group are justified in their hesitancy and folks outside of this group will recognize a distinction between the protections of said group as compared to the risk factors that a group they belong to may actually possess. I believe this lack of information has led folks to assume that since they've been safe thus far, then they are likely safe going forward. I gave an example of how that works above, but just in case it was missed...

Consider the overall death rate is around 1.7% (don't recall if that was just US or worldwide, but a doctor friend threw it my way). That death rate doesn't apply to everybody and anybody. For instance, the death rate is well over 5% in the highest age groups. It's also well under 0.01% for other select groups. Realizing this, the granularity helps provide more caution to the folks in the higher groups and gives some relief to those in the lower groups. We've known since the beginning that this isn't a one-size-fits-all virus. Add in other risk factors and your percentages go up or down. But if you're in, say, your 30's, and throughout the first wave, the hospitalization rates were low, the severity was relatively low, and the death rates were low...what are you going to believe if they stop producing that same level of granularity? This is even more true of the upper teens and 20's crowd who appear to have noticed a more dramatic increase than, say, January levels.

Treating this on such a binary level only has so much utility, to extend beyond that utility, granularity is important. I'm genuinely surprised there is so much resistance to this idea.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

It's powerful to you. Do you believe it is powerful to the folks who have yet to get vaccinated? There is no leverage, there is no power, in my view. I get it, they are trying to do something noticeable to take a stand. It's a win to one audience, but that's not their target audience. Just my two bits.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

Normally I would agree. But when is the last time we saw an ICU fill up with diabetics? Or even heart patients, which is one of the top causes of death in the US.

These are extraordinary times. Potentially call for extraordinary measures.

 

FYI, the hospitalization costs in June and July only for COVID is an estimated $2.3 billion. It is also estimated that as many as 84% of these hospitalizations may have been prevented had people gotten vaccinated. Expect a nice, hefty raise in health insurance premiums next year. Somebody has got to pay.

 

Now when premiums go up they'll blame Obamacare.

 

No, they can't. Not with ACA. ACA compliant policies can't pick and choose what they are going to cover.

As much as I like the idea to make these people pay up, I think it is the wrong thing to do. It would require special legislation to enable that

 

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And how many of those unvaccinated to think were healthy with no real health factors?

Look. A healthy young person is at almost no risk to this disease. The data shows this.

The unknowns are things like…

How long does the vaccine last? Appears to not be very long.

Are there potential long term side effects to taking the vaccine (especially if booster after booster after booster is needed$? We just don’t know.

Could these vaccines be leaky to the point that they end up making things worse? We don’t know.

Could these vaccines be extremely safe and the right call for every regardless of health? We don’t know.

We do know they are a big part of the spread. I think we are going to find out people who were vaccinated were out spreading this thing under the thought they had allergies or some other cold because they assumed there was almost no way they had Covid.

These rna vaccines work by putting your body to work. Maybe that is a good thing. But when the disease poses little risk to someone…it is completely understandable that someone would not want to force their body into action when it is not necessary.

 

No, it would not. Not if they returned to treat after the protest and did not jeopardize lives or health by doing so.