Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Shameful if we are doing that, gives people a very misleading idea of what is happening. Good decisions require good information.

 

It looks like the state is playing games with reporting its numbers. Absolutely shameful. Destroys trust in facts.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253451799.html

 

No not really. Maybe if everyone wore n95 mask but even those don't fit flush

 

I believe worldometer uses the data as released by FL, which back dates deaths to the date they occurred rather than showing on the date they are reported (as it was in the early days of the pandemic). This has the unfortunate effect that recent days will ALWAYS be under-reported, as there is often some lag between when a death occurs and when it gets formally reported. The graph will pretty much always show a downturn in the last few days following this methodology.

The cynic in my says this is a deliberate decision to make everything look more rosy than it is.

 

Along with the vaxed

 

You're wrong

 

My uncle made a video about this last year:



(ok, not my uncle, but apparently somebody's)

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

No.

The data is there from this thing over the past year and a half. You are the one refusing to to acknowledge that whether masks were worn in high compliance or low compliance it does not really matter. In fact the data suggests steeper faster spread with high compliant communities. It is not hard to look up states and Covid cases to then examine the data.

But I fully understand you likely feel better about your virtue by wearing a mask in public. I am more than certain that you do not wear a mask at your house with your family at this point.

Your position appears to be the mask works. But since others won’t wear it in public I am willing to not wear it the place the disease spreads most commonly which is also the place I am around the ones I love the most.

Enjoy showing off your virtue in public.

 

Whining or not whining won't affect deaths either way.

 

Honestly at this point with delta all over the place if you're worried about exposure you should just stay home and be safe.
I say that as even if the "science deniers" as you call them had been vaccinated and had worn masks you can still get it from them.

 

Isn't it better to report the date it actually occurred rather than when the state was told about? That would give a more accurate picture of the ebb and flow.

 

If they waited until all of the deaths for a given day were processed, yes. But they aren't. They are reporting artificially lower numbers.

 

As more and more information is coming out. I sure appears that way.

That said…I would still recommend certain people get the vaccine. Over 80 just about everyone. 65-80 the vast majority should probably get it. 50-65 it is getting closer to half but probably more than half should really consider it. 30-50 probably less than half. Under 30 very few should be getting it.

This is also turning out to look more and more like a prophylactic than a vaccine. Which leads to the fact we need to get more information out on the Regeneron treatment to help fight hospitalizations. Also only emergency authorized.

We need to get off the mask mask mask/vaccine vaccine vaccine and start being honest. DeSantis was fantastic in that yesterday. No fear. Confidence. Acknowledge reality. Show that solutions are being sought and offered. No this way or you are wrong and killing others. No illogical mandates. Just leadership.

If we only had from the beginning focuses on exercise and eating right and being healthy (this monster attacks two main demographics…elderly who are kind of stuck and the obese who can actually do something about their situation) we would be much better off. But here we are…fighting away and not focusing on the solution.

Medicine is a combination of Art and Science. The best are able to do both at extremely high levels. Unfortunately I fear tunnel vision is affecting the Art side and I am also fearful that the Science side is being used in that.

I fully understand this is a real monster. I also understand it is not going away. But I am not going to knee jerk on this when the reality is the disease is not that dangerous to the vast majority while at the same time work to protect the most vulnerable.

 

Masks keep the spit from spreading but not the aerosol, it goes everywhere. Still don't get why folks that are going to be in a confined area and are worried, wear one. Don't need someone to mandate it.

 

So Surgeons wear them for effect?

 

I am going to post a research article that was originally posted by The Oral Health Group. A dental organization in Canada for dentists and hygienists to use. They had a research paper on masks in the Dental office published in 2016. Well in June of 2020 it no longer fit the narrative of where the political class was taking things with masks. So instead of leaving it up and letting Science use the research to determine if there were flaws. They tried to censor it and you cannot find it on their website anymore. In fact here is what you get if you click on a link trying to find it there…

“If you are looking for “Why Face Masks Don’t Work: A Revealing Review” by John Hardie, BDS, MSc, PhD, FRCDC, it has been removed. The content was published in 2016 and is no longer relevant in our current climate.

Please note that the content from Oral Health Group is primarily intended to educate and inform dental professionals….”

Update: Why Face Masks Don’t Work: A Revealing Review - Oral Health Group

No mention that the research is bad. That it is wrong. It just does not fit right now.

Fortunately it is still out there for people to read. And I love the conclusion considering the mask wearing that happen in public…

“The primary reason for mandating the wearing of face masks is to protect dental personnel from airborne pathogens. This review has established that face masks are incapable of providing such a level of protection. Unless the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, national and provincial dental associations and regulatory agencies publically admit this fact, they will be guilty of perpetuating a myth which will be a disservice to the dental profession and its patients. It would be beneficial if, as a consequence of the review, all present infection control recommendations were subjected to the same rigorous testing as any new clinical intervention. Professional associations and governing bodies must ensure the clinical efficacy of quality improvement procedures prior to them being mandated. It is heartening to know that such a trend is gaining a momentum which might reveal the inadequacies of other long held dental infection control assumptions. Surely, the hallmark of a mature profession is one which permits new evidence to trump established beliefs. In 1910, Dr. C. Chapin, a public health pioneer, summarized this idea by stating, “We should not be ashamed to change our methods; rather, we should be ashamed not to do so.” 36 Until this occurs, as this review has revealed, dentists have nothing to fear by unmasking. OH”

Why Face Masks Don’t Work: A Revealing Review - John Hardie, PhD, Oral Health Group (2016) - Evidence Not Fear

It should scare the mess out of people that some are trying to bury research papers like this instead of answer why they are wrong.

 

All vaccines act as prophylactics. Vaccines aren't cures, but preventative measures. The term breakthrough case has been around a lot longer then COVID-19. And even tried and true vaccines are never 100% effective. But if enough of the population gets vaccinated, depending on some of the virus factors, you can reach herd immunity. And even those susceptible to breakthrough cases will be covered.

This is how we beat viruses like polio and smallpox. We were close to eliminating measles too, but then the anti-vaxx whackos started their campaign, and measles vaccination rates dropped below herd immunity levels. Then, predictably, there were measles outbreaks, that included breakthrough cases as well as infecting the unvaccinated.

Everyone should get the vaccine. Not just to protect themselves, but to reach herd immunity and protection everyone. This is the best way to protect the most vulnerable, and the only long term solution to beating COVID. It won't happen overnight, and will take years to vaccinate everyone. But the vaccine is our best weapon against the virus. To tell anyone they don't need to get vaccinated is poor advice.

 

Good find. Yeah, I have to think it was a conscious political decision to reduce the number reported on a given day. So instead of showing 357 deaths on Thursday, they showed 18 and slotted the other 339 deaths into prior days. If this is how they'd been reporting deaths all along, it would be ok. But to change it this very week when they are reporting a record number of new deaths reeks of politics.

 

So now my brother in law is still in the hospital and symptomatic, BUT is testing negative again. The doctors think the test may be "confused" by antibodies from an earlier infection and that the symptoms may be an immune response. Has anyone heard of this?

 

Spit facts, with data or bow out.