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55% of a large number is still a large number of kids. Is this acceptable?

 

Red Herring Fallacy

Ad Hominem Attack

Strawman Fallacy. This study still shows that children experienced long COVID contrary to your claim that there is NO Long COVID in kids.

Boy you are just full of fallacies today aren't you.

 

This just tells me you have no data to back up your contention. Thanks for confirming it for me. Too easy. Thanks for taking the L like a man.

 

From the study:

"All seropositive children had a history of pauci-symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection and did not report long COVID more frequently compared to seronegative children."

Oops. I'll accept your apology now. Thanks.

 

We have reached peak. Good job DeSantis.

 

I mean it is obvious that you choose to ignore the data because I provided 4 links for you. Why don't you address those genius? You made the false claim that long COVID does not exist in children yet you posted two studies that show that it does exist and then I posted 4 links to the data and you still refuse to acknowledge them. Seems to me the one who's bowing out is you.

 

In number form

 

Another Red Herring Fallacy.

 

I listen to a podcast with several virologists. They were quoting data from the Mass Public Health Department who are still investigating this because even they admit that the 74% number makes no damned sense and that there has to be more to the story. If that number were accurate, we would be seeing millions of new cases per day and not thousands.

It is very strongly suspected that many of those who "tested positive, yet were vaccinated" had been exposed the the virus but the vaccine did what it was supposed to do, neutralized the virus. Yet, if they did not have any viable proteins from SARS-CoV-2 in the system, then they were no longer infected. They were never tested for anything else like RSV, Flu or any number of other respiratory infections.

Many of these alleged breakthroughs are just that.....vaccines are not 100% effective.

Others are misdiagnoses based on the fact that not nearly enough clinicians are asking people to get both PCR tested AND antigen tested to confirm active virus.

These are the things that we will understand 10 years from now when there is proper time to study all of the aspects of this virus and its subsequent infection and or interaction with the human immune system.

We just don't know right now, and that is giving the anti-vaxx (open) and the anti-vaxx (in the closet) crowds all of the 1/10th information that they need to spew BS about how the vaccines are failing, and gives the drug companies the ammo to claim "the vaccines are failing we need to sell you more"!!

 

Nope. What’s the point of asking someone if they have symptoms if you don’t have a control group. This is basic stuff. Sharpen up on this crap and get back to me. Good try though. Since you can’t produce a study comparing “long Covid” to a control group then it might as well be useless. Maybe next time sport.

 

Textbook thing to say when you have nothing to refute the data. Oops

 

Do you know what a Red Herring Fallacy is? Obviously you have no clue

 

Fallacy after fallacy. You claim I have no data, I repeatedly tell you I have shown you the data and you continue stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to address the data. Stop throwing Red Herring fallacies at me and address the data that shows that long COVID in children exists and falsifies your claim that there is NO long COVID. Would you like me to repost the data for you so you can address it?

You must think you are soo cool with your ad hominem attacks thinking you got me. LOL

 

Man, it must suck to not have data to back up your “long Covid” theory. Sucks for you. Let me know when you produce a study comparing both Covid+ and Covid- kids. Otherwise it best you sit this one out.

 

Sure, show me the data comparing Covid+ and negative patients. Otherwise your data is useless. But you keep digging that hole.

 

Here are some of the highlights from The Lancet study you are taking as gospel, that long haul COVID in kids does not exist:

Although COVID-19 in children is usually of short duration with low symptom burden, some children with COVID-19 experience prolonged illness duration. Reassuringly, symptom burden in these children did not increase with time, and most recovered by day 56. Some children who tested negative for SARS-CoV-2 also had persistent and burdensome illness. A holistic approach for all children with persistent illness during the pandemic is appropriate. [emphasis added]
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Remember, COVID is not the only illness with prolonged symptoms. And although the prevalence of the flu was down during most of the duration of the study, many UK kids did go back to school, and the flu didn't disappear completely. As the below states, this study only tested for COVID, and not the flu. It is not only possible, but highly likely kids who had long haul symptoms that were COVID negative either had a flu or a common cold. And again, just because a COVID negative kid has long haul symptoms doesn't mean all COVID positive long haulers are caused by something else.

A strength of our study is its comparison of contemporaneous illness profiles of symptomatic children testing positive versus negative for SARS-CoV-2. Children testing positive had longer median illness duration (6 days vs 3 days) and were more likely to have illness duration of at least 28 days (4·4% vs 0·9%). However, some children testing negative also had illness duration of at least 28 days; these children had higher symptom counts over their entire illness duration and at day 28, acknowledging our small sample size. We considered whether some of these children might have false-negative results. However, there is no evidence that the sensitivity and specificity of SARS-CoV-2 testing differ in children compared with adults, with sensitivity for PCR tests for SARS-CoV-2 of about 95%. The symptom profiles of children testing positive and negative suggest some differences, although these were not statistically assessed. Notably, the prevalence of non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory viruses (influenza A, influenza B, parainfluenza, adenovirus, and respiratory syncytial virus) were unusually low over the 2020–21 winter in the UK, except for the rhinovirus peak commonly observed in September (return-to-school).With the relaxation of social distancing in the UK, these illnesses might return towards their usual higher prevalences. Our data emphasise that other childhood illnesses might also have protracted burdensome courses, requiring consideration in post-pandemic service planning. [emphasis added]
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To use this study to claim COVID long haul does not exist in children would be a gross misinterpretation of the study. They did find 4.4% of kids with long haul symptoms, and yes, found COVID negative kids with long symptoms too. But without testing for other illnesses that could have a similar effect, it's hard to determine why.

 

We covered all of these with 95 months and months ago. You are wasting your time.

 

Let me ask a question, as I know you have done a great deal of reading about testing, etc. Two days ago I started showing symptoms and needed an immediate test, which limited me to the rapid antigen (negative). After slightly worsening symptoms, I opted to get a PCR test today and will wait 3-4 days for the result. Can you speak to the likelihood that the antigen test was inaccurate? Sorry - I know this was probably covered in the treatments thread.

 

Still, I enjoy seeing someone else own him and keep him busy. 95 must not have a job, because he spends a massive amount of time in this thread.

 

Fair enough. I don't enjoy it at all. No need to continue arguing w idiocy.