Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Women too?

 

If there is a lot of hospitalizations then yes, it means the vaccine didn’t work AS WELL as predicted. Not that hard to grasp.

 

Nobody *predicted* that vaccines would be 100% effective. The UK isn't experiencing "a lot of hospitalizations". The US arguably is experiencing "a lot of hospitalizations" but mostly among unvaccinated.

Not that hard to grasp.

 

Florida reported 13256 cases and 148 deaths today. This is what you get with 11 million unfully vaccinated people running around in the state.

 

The vaccine was created and tested against the wild type of COVID. We know the vaccine isn't as effective at preventing infection against delta. If the majority of breakthrough cases are infected with delta, which I believe to be the case, then it only means the vaccine isn't as effective against delta, and nothing else.

 

Who said 100%? But I believe the US hospitalization rates will be well south of the 95% predicted. Not that hard to grasp. Or I guess it is for some…

 

Here we go again. Excuse after excuse. Shocking…

 

If you don't understand science, maybe you shouldn't be involved in the conversation. The 95% efficacy rate for the Pfizer vaccine is against COVID-19 wild type. It's the most effective tested. And a 5% infection rate will lead to a very small hospital rate. But along comes delta, with upwards to 30% infection rate amongst the vaccinated. Different variant, different variable, different results.

 

Welcome to Florida, you don't like it then leave.
I really truly can't think of any business that would want to require that, only a dumbass would try to require that.
And most dumbasses don't make it

 

By the way, a variant that is more transmissible or has more vaccine resistance is of no surprise to those that understand virology. There were articles posted months ago that we were in a race between vaccine and variants. Delta is one variant that has a moderate amount of vaccine resistance. Fortunately, the vaccine prevents the worst in over 99% of breakthrough cases. What's to prevent the next variant from having more vaccine resistance and/or be as dangerous to vaccinated people as unvaccinated? Nothing, really.

All we can do is slow the potential rate of mutation. This can be done by vaccinating more and more people. Even at 70% effective, that's a lot of people who won't get the virus, and a lot less opportunity for the virus to copy itself and mutate.

If I remember correctly, @gator95 found the concept of vaccine versus variant to be funny at the time. Still laughing?

 

Lol. Blaming variants. Variants were always going to happen. It was impossible to stop. Only people like you thought it was able to be stopped. We would literally need 15+ billion does of the vaccine. It’s partly why I said natural immunity is better than the vaccine. It’s proving itself out now. And you were ridiculously wrong as well on wanting kids vaccinated, but that’s not shocking.

 

What do you mean south of what’s “predicted”?

The original efficacy numbers are what they observed from the trial, and the observations about who is in hospitals are current, they aren’t “predictive”. They are current observations.

The real world CURRENT observations must really be backing up this “9x%” of deaths being in the unvaccinated, otherwise you wouldn’t have the likes of the Alabama Governor coming out and saying as such.

 

What I found and find funny is you thinking people can stop a variant from happening. Israel is one of the most vaccinated countries in the country and still hasn’t stopped variants. You showed the UK numbers and it’s still happening there as well. The vaccines helped a ton. But they weren’t going to work on 95% of the time. And mostly what I’ve ripped you for is your unbelievable naive take on vaccinating kids. There is a reason most of Europe is against vaccinating kids. The risks don’t outweigh the rewards. Most rational people know that. Key word is rational.

 

Sure, the vaccine is doing great if we count hospitalizations from January until now. But anyone with a brain will realize that is the cdc cooking the numbers to make the vaccine better than they are.

 

95 is that weirdo pulling for the vaccine to fail. Lol

 

No, they are talking about currently hospitalized. The people hospitalized and dying RIGHT now are overwhelmingly unvaccinated. Percentage in the 90’s RIGHT NOW. That has nothing to do with going back to January. The trial data is looking at past data. These other observations are current, right now.

Anyone with a brain will realize it’s all a CDC conspiracy? Interesting. Is the Alabama Governor relying only on the CDC, or is she using her own state data (which gets reported to the CDC). Is she now in on that “conspiracy” too?

 

The data the cdc is using is hospitalizations from January. They are the ones who did it, not me. But the cdc deservedly doesn’t have a good track record concerning the covid pandemic. Anyone arguing otherwise is either ignorant or obtuse.

 

I know two people with similar stories. My housekeeper’s kid got sick and then she did. She had been vaccinated fully With the Phizer vaccine. Overweight. She was better in 3 or 4 days and had 2 negative tests. Friend went to an event with 6 people. All fully vaccinated. All got sick. High viral load. Gave to each other because they were with each other and infected. My friend is 69. Sick for 4 or 5 days and got better. Over it now. Vaccine protected against severe disease. The disease is all over the place now. Inevitable from being open. There will be many asymptomatic infections, mild illnesses. Hospitalized are overwhelmingly unvaccinated. The idea of vaccines is to prevent illness or serious illness. The younger metric of the hospitalizations reflect that it is working since the vulnerable populations (older folk) were vaccinated. Many of Those who feel they are less vulnerable (younger etc.) did not get vaccinated. Older people not in hospitals as much and not as much as before. Some will need to go to the hospital as a matter of percentage. That is our reality now. It is sad to read the tiresome debate over whether the vaccines are working from the numbers posted and the outright misinformation and misinterpretations from what they mean represented by some posters here and in general. If the vaccines weren’t working, older people would be hospitalized at a higher ratw

 

That is real info. Thank you. I have looked into a bunch of her stuff. There are people in this thread that have contradicting info that makes me second guess. None of us really know. It's a personal choice. Is that fair?

 

And in England, they told people to delay getting the second Phizer shot; not to do it in 21 days.