Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Who's saying the vaccine doesn't help? I'm saying it's not 97% effective. Only other thing i'm strongly against is vaccinating kids.

 

Who said it was 97% effective? You are misconstruing a lot of different stats.

 

That is powerful

 

There are three factors with the UK hospitalization rate for vaccinated versus the rate here in the US. First is overall population. 66.6 million versus the US, 328.2. Second is percentage of adults vaccinated. Up to 90% of adults with at least one dose in parts of the UK, versus areas in the US where it's 50% or less. Last, the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, which was widely distributed in the UK, versus the US, where nobody received it.

With a smaller sample size, higher percentage of people vaccinated, plus a significant portion receiving a shot that isn't as effective as the mRNA shots at preventing infection, the UK hospitalization numbers are going to look skewed if you are just looking at percentage of those hospitalized who are fully vaccinated.

As for the debate of natural immunity versus vaccine immunity, too many variables and not enough time to really make any discernable conclusions. Against the wild type, in studies, the vaccines did better. Not a huge margin, but significant and consistent results. But against delta, vaccine and natural immunity are about equal. Then there's Manuas, Brazil, that had estimated 75% with natural immunity, who got hit harder a few months later. If there is a single person or model that can explain all this, I'd like to see it. Until then, we have individual studies showing a variety of results that we need more time and research before we can truly make heads or tails out of the data we're seeing.

What we do know, there is no additional danger for those with natural immunity to get the shot, as long as it's about two weeks post full recovery. And there is likely added immunity benefit for those who had COVID and get jabbed. We also know that in many people, immunity will wane. And if I had the opportunity to get a booster that would protect me longer, and cost nothing but 15-20 minutes of my time, I wouldn't hesitate to take advantage of it.

 

Yes, I reposted your link. There is so much noise in all this data, it is easy to be mislead unless you think through it. However that graph tells the story about as well as you can tell it.

 

Go see what our CDC director said.

 

So you are using 1 dose for the UK but 2 doses for the US. Nice try! Stopped reading after that. At least try to hide the obvious bias.

 

When the CDC director says this, it carries more weight than any study.

 

A conservative talk-show host who said 'you're probably safer not getting' the vaccine is now seriously ill with COVID-19, and his family is asking people to 'PLEASE GO GET VACCINATED!'

No idea who the guy is

 

I'm guessing this is why Hannity "walked back" his comments. Must have gotten a ton of hate... simply because he stated verifiable facts.

Seriously, who the hell is driving the messaging ship in the GOP? It's just crazy town, and anyone that dares question ANY narrative that crazytown wants, no matter how ludicrous, gets attacked. Bizarre.... and they complain about "cancel culture". Holy $@$^&.

 

That's not the same thing as vaccine being 97% effective. The Pfizer vaccine is 96% effective against hospitalization, 80-90% effective against symptomatic infection and about 69% against any infection.

97% of hospitalizations being non vaccinated kind of makes sense, given there is roughly a 50/50 break in the US between vaxed and unvaxed.

 

The governor of Alabama rips Alabamians who are unvaccinated during her press conference: What I do not know from this is if this an earnest appeal to all of the unvaccinated, or a racist shot at the African American community where vaccination rates among blacks in Alabama were severely lagging at one point not so long ago.

Alabama governor on rise in COVID-19 cases: ‘It’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated’ | myfox8.com

 

No, it's not the same. But people think it is. It's wrong data also. The CDC is playing with the numbers. Why would they count all hospitalizations from Jan until now in their data? I mean at least start in April when a decent amount of the US was beginning to get vaccinated. Some would say the CDC is cooking the data.

 

I cited a statistic from a link you provided. While 1 dose won't give you as much protection as 2, which is why a booster is required, 1 dose will give you some protection. More than no doses. And no matter how you cut it, the percentage of unvaccinated in the UK is significantly lower than in the US. And in some places in the UK, at least 90% have been jabbed at least once, versus several places in the US where 50% or more haven't been jabbed at all.

 

Good effort. I see you didn't include the people in the US with 1 dose...

The REAL data is the UK has vaccinated with at least 1 dose 69.7% and the US is at 56.6%. Not the 90% to 50% garbage you made up.

U.S. COVID-19 vaccine tracker: See your state's progress

uk covid vaccination rate - Google Search

 

Hannity has a track record of denying things he previously said. There are a lot of issue with media in the US and people's consumption of it, but the rw in this country is the most disserviced in following folks like Hannity. It's not a wonder so many of them are so badly informed.

 

But you cant force private businesses to let you in without one. I like Rd, but he is wrong on this one.
I will almost always side with the private business owner.

 

Sorry BG, but that is not a health code things. We have spots at the beach that let you in with no shirt.

 

I said adults, not total population. We both agree that kids make up such a small percentage of hospitalized from COVID, that they aren't going to effect the numbers much. Not to mention, kids under 16 in the UK and under 12 in the US can't get vaccinated. So including them in the comparison isn't really fair when looking at percentage hospitalized.

So, we we're talking adults, with at least one jab in the UK, from this link (if the image doesn't load).



As you can see, in Wales and Scotland, 90% of adults have received at least one dose. In many areas of the US, there are still places that have more than 50% unvaccinated.

 

The data are what they are, and if you dive into them they are pretty consistent. It is you who is intentionally trying to misrepresent the vaccine as being ineffective by posting hospitalizations where most everybody has been vaccinated. If 100% of the population were vaccinated, then all hospitalization would be among the vaccinated. That doesn't mean the vaccination doesn't work.