Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Well, at least he attempted to quote Jay Z

 

Vaccines were created to battle the wild type of the virus. Most vaccines don't offer better immunity than natural immunity, but the mRNA vaccines did show better protection, against the wild type, in several studies. But it shouldn't be a surprise that the vaccine isn't as effective against variants. Against delta, natural immunity and vaccine immunity seem to be about equal. And there is the one study that against gamma, in a small study, natural immunity beat the vaccine. Then there's Manaus, which had an estimated 75% of the population get a first wave, causing some to believe the area had established some herd immunity. Turned out to be not the case at all.

So what's the right answer when it comes to natural immunity vs. vaccine immunity? Not enough information, studies, or time with certain variants to draw any real conclusions. But several studies showing that there is no harm for those who already had COVID from getting the vaccine, and there is probable benefit from the booster.

 

You can't just declare I am right, so you are wrong. Well, you can, but it doesn't mean anything.

There is some evidence, I recall seeing, where vaccine is more effective than prior infection against Delta and longer lasting. But it isn't enough at this point to say it definitively. There is also info out there that vax and prior vaccine have similar impacts, but I think that was mostly before Delta.

 

And Florida explodes to 12,647 new cases today. Bang up job DeSantis, it's a good thing you're telling businesses they can't require vaccinations for customers and employees even if they want to.

 

Next highest state is Texas at 3,266 new cases.

 

I thought FLORIDA was only providing weekly data (released tomorrow afternoon). Where does the 12,647 case count come from?

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,WESGATORS

 

what they are not doing is providing the number of daily tests, number today is the same as yesterday

 

COVID Data Tracker

I found this from the CDC. It's a shame that FL won't produce the daily information even though it is apparently being sent to the CDC (or at least FL could reference where to look on the CDC site for the information).

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12,647 is New Cases for Now on United States COVID: 35,196,215 Cases and 626,122 Deaths - Worldometer

Yesterday they had us at 8,988 new cases for the day.

 

I’ll worry about cases as soon as the cdc starts counting covid+ cases the same way as they count cases for people who have been vaccinated. No one can answer why we have two separate thresholds. I know cases are rising, but it’s hard to trust the cdc when they use two different requirements.

 

The CDC is using different thresholds for vaccinated and unvaccinated cases? Link?

 

Florida is #1

In new deaths

 

From your own linked source:

An isolated anomaly has taken place and the likeliest explanation is anomaly with vaccine itself. Even with that, however, the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing severe disease. So, I am still not seeing where you mention anything about "being less effective than natural infection". If you are basing this off of 3 people, in that case 1 dose of the vaccine was protective against infection and severe disease.

So....your conclusion is that these people were over vaccinated????

 

You asked for data showing natural immunity is better than the vaccine. I produced said data and now you are not liking it. That's your issue, not mine.

 

Actually, you didn't. Do you even read and understand this stuff.

The study had 3 people not vaccinated and did not contract COVID.
The study had 3 people who had 1 dose and did not contract COVID.

How is line one better than 2? At most, they are equivalent.

Also, did you bother reading the article you linked in Hebrew where they are claiming 40%, and then turned around and admitted it was a small sample of mostly elderly people? They also sited the larger British study confirming that the Pfizer vaccine was still highly effective against the Delta variant and how even as Delta displaced Beta in UK that their number of infections greatly declined as vaccination increased.

You want to keep arguing against large data sets with 3-4 data point outliers that you search the internet for, so be it. If this is how you "prove things", then so be it. There literally is no convincing you since you discount 99.99% of the global data set and fixate on an anomaly in mine with dubious circumstance. Yes....you win, I quit.

 

Here is what the CDC had back in April. Looks like the CDC felt embarrassed that they were using 2 different criteria and erased the 28 PCR Threshold from their website. They have since stopped even counting breakthrough cases unless that person is hospitalized or a fatal case. So then lets use that for all cases. Keep it consistent, one way or the other. Pretty easy to say vaccinated cases stay low if the only criteria is being hospitalized or death.




COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC

 

This isn't about using a different threshold for declaring someone to be infected. This is for deciding when to submit specimens for DNA sequencing (to identify what strain of the virus caused the infection).

 

Yep. He never understands the stuff he links.

 

Oh, so they only want to study those under 28. Wonder why LOL. They had a website link that was taken down and now the cdc only counts hospitalizations and deaths as possible breakthrough cases. So then lets use that metric for everyone, you know, just to be fair and keep an accurate tally. I assume that's what we all want, right?

 

Right, I was on the wrong side of lockdowns and schools being open... Oh wait, I was on the right side of those topics. I know it sucks I was right, but those are the breaks.