Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

What is driving the increases? Is it the unvaxed? Or new strains impervious to vax?

 

U.S. Life Expectancy Fell By 1.5 Years In 2020, The Biggest Drop Since WWII


Life expectancy dropped 1.5 years, mainly due to covid. For all those saying covid is just displacing the flu, or is actually really caused by other conditions, I'm not sure how one explains this.

 

So what your saying is that a business should be able to discriminate as they choose to. Like I've asked before do you own your own business do you? I would say no you don't. I would bet that the majority of business owners and large corporations are hoping this is never mandatory, see as a business owner most of us all want paying customers.

I think Channing owns a bar, I bet he doesn't turn business a way unless that individual acts like ass. I would be shocked if he would be on board making it mandatory to have a vaccine before having a beer at his pub

 

You're asking the wrong question. Is those who have not been vaccinated or haven't had Covid yet driving the increases? The next question is how many of the vaccinated compared to those who already had Covid caught Covid again. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't recall to any post on those who already had Covid catching it again compared to those who have been vaccinated, that would be interesting

 

Here is data showing Israel's covid vaccine data not doing as well as predicted.

Israel reports sharp decline in Pfizer coronavirus vaccine efficacy


"Data from the analysis conducted by the Health Ministry suggest the efficacy of the vaccine declines over time in preventing infection and severe illness.

Health officials presented their findings during a meeting of the ministry's Epidemic Management Team on Monday night, which showed that protection from coronavirus infections among vaccinated people decreased by 42% since the start of the inoculation drive in Israel."

 

This is one of the reasons why Pfizer is suggesting a third booster. Between naturally waning protection and variants such as delta, COVID is finding a way to infect those even fully vaccinated. The CDC and WHO have pushed back against a third booster for Pfizer because even while infection rates grow, those who are fully vaccinated fare much better in terms of symptoms, hospitalizations, and deaths as compared to the unvaccinated.

The time will likely come when we will need another booster. It will depend on just how long the vaccine protection lasts from preventing the worst of COVID symptoms and if/when new variants arise that are even more vaccine resistant.

 

If You Had COVID-19, Can You Get the Delta Variant? (healthline.com)

A study from the Cleveland Clinic that tracked cases in healthcare workers who were either vaccinated or previously had COVID-19 found that the rate of reinfection is essentially the same as if they had been vaccinated.

Another studyTrusted Source from Qatar similarly found that the chance of reinfection is similarly low among those who previously had COVID-19 and those who were vaccinated.

Though these studies show reinfection with variants is rare, it’s important to note they were conducted earlier this year and were not conducted in locations with a high circulation of the delta variant.

 

LOL. 3rd booster. You were parroting that the vaccine is better and longer lasting than having covid antibodies. I assume you will be retracting that statement anytime now.

 

Against the wild type, the vaccine is better in the short term. Long term, there just haven't been enough time to really study how much immunity a person has say in two years, infection versus vaccine. That's because COVID hasn't been around that long, and the vaccine has been around even less time!

Variants also add new variables that can and do change efficacy of the vaccine as well as natural immunity. Manaus, Brazil was thought to have over 70% infection rate in their first wave; enough that some virologists thought the area had natural herd immunity. But their second wave was worse than the first. Researchers are still trying to figure out why.

And again, a third booster may be needed because again, we don't know how much immunity the vaccine will give us in a year, because it hasn't been a year since the first vaccines were given! We don't know what we don't know, and only time will tell. We also don't know if there will be another variant that is worse than delta.

 

Too funny. I guess that's your roundabout way of trying to say you were wrong.

 

Look I'm not claiming that I can't get the virus again, but there hasn't been hardly any studies showing how many have gotten covid again and who wasn't vaccinated. Doesn't that seem a bit strange to you? How many people do you know personally that caught covid but did not get vaccinated and got covid again? Me I personally don't know of any.

 

Florida reported nearly 9k new cases today and 58 deaths. Deaths will be rising and it won't just be all old people. Get vaccinated.

 

Do you know how long natural immunity from COVID will last after two years of contracting the virus? Or how long vaccine immunity will last 18 months after being fully vaccinated with both mRNA shots? If you do, then you have a crystal ball, because nobody knows these answers. The virus and vaccine haven't been around this long, respectively.

This study shows that natural immunity starts to break down around the 6-month mark, but vaccine immunity still provides protection around the 1 year mark. With one caveat to the study. It was tested against the wild type of COVID, and variants offer a different variable that could yield different results. As for what happens around the 2-year mark for both the infected and vaccinated? Again, we don't know what we don't know, and can't know, until the passage of time.

 

Not everybody needs the vaccine, if you already have had covid the antibodies seem to working as good or better than the vaccine on some individuals , those who are elderly or have pre existing conditions are the one who need to the most concerned

 

Well with cases at 8k per day and rising, obviously there's a lot of unvaccinated folks out there who haven't had covid. We know that less than 50% of the state is fully vaccinated.

 

From what I have read prior non Delta infections are less effective against covid than the vaccine against Delta.

 

Look, I get it, your "vaccines last longer than natural immunity" argument is dead. Better to let this one die than to keep trying to defend the indefensible. But the best part is I know you will keep digging that hole. That's my favorite part.

 

That's just their opinion right now, they really don't know.
It's starting to appear that those who already had covid are the ones less likely to be reinfected, for now anyway.
As of June it's been 180 days that my wife and myself have had the antibodies

 

There are two arguments here. The first is did Fauci lie when he testified to Congress earlier when he said the tests we funded in Wuhan were not gain of function. That point has been debated by different scientists with some saying what was done in that test was gain of function and others saying it wasn't. It's kind of like the old, "that all depends on what your definition of the word "is" is". Fauci certainly doesn't want the testing to be determined to be gain of function since that was specifically against US law.

The second argument is if those were gain of function tests we funded, like Paul says, then did they help the Chinese by providing insight into other gain of function tests the Chinese were running that may have lead to the creation of Covid 19 which eventually leaked from the lab.

I don't think Paul did a very good job explaining his point. He allowed Fuaci to wrongly suggest that Paul was accusing the study we funded as being the one that created Covid. He wasn't. But Fauci jumped on that and accused him of it when in fact Paul said more than once that he wasn't saying that. He was suggesting that 1.) We funded gain of function tests in China against American law and, 2.) Those tests may have allowed the Chinese to glean information that was used in other tests that actually may have created Covid19 that eventually leaked from the lab.

Unless someone in China talks, we'll never really know.

 

Against the wild strain, vaccines performed better than natural immunity. I posted a study showing exactly this. Against a variant like delta, the variable changes, which means the results can change. And it looks like against delta, natural immunity works about as well as the vaccine. It's not that difficult to understand.

To the ignorant, they will take the fact natural immunity works as well as the vaccine against delta to show they are equal. But remember, against the wild type of COVID, the vaccine did better. And the vaccine does worse against delta. To the educated, this shows the danger of variants. Delta has already decreased the efficacy of the vaccine. Begs the question, could the next variant have even more vaccine and natural immunity resistance?