Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

It's above your pay grade I guess. Didn't realize it's that complicated. Children died. Some of them from Covid. But no, not all of them FROM Covid. This seems hard for some people to grasp. Might want to stick to those pesky variants. That's more your lane.

 

You know, hospitals need to list all patients who had COVID as COVID positive, even if they went into the hospital for another ailment. That's because COVID is a communicable disease, and can spread to others! Duh!

I've linked this before, but here are the CDC Guidelines for listing COVID as a COD on a death certificate. If you have any real proof that any of the 300+ dead kids who have COVID listed as a COD didn't die in part, because they had COVID, please post it. If not, please stop speaking ill of the dead and of the medical care workers who had to watch these kids die.

 

Fortunately, in the US, there aren't a lot of deaths of kids under 17. COVID-19 was one of the top 10 causes of death in the US for adolescents, and it came in at #10. So if the kids didn't die from COVID as one of the factors, what was it? Any evidence at all that doctors and medical professionals were lying on the death certificates? And why would they lie like this?

 

New study explains how Delta variant mutations evade certain antibodies. For those unvaccinated or have only one dose of a 2-dose vaccination, delta can be dangerous. Fortunately, those fully vaccinated have good protection against Delta. Let's hope the next variant doesn't have a mutation that can evade current full vaccinations.

 

Oh, so everyone is following the rules. I’m sure this is the only county in the country that over counted….

Keep trying!

Alameda County revises COVID-19 death count down by 25% after over-counting cases | abc7news.com

 

You found one case where they self corrected after they found themselves not in compliance with state laws. Sounds like they wanted to be accurate. Good for them.

You want to claim everyone isn't as honest and isn't self correcting? And what purpose would pediatricians have in inflating child deaths from COVID-19? And again, any evidence at all that current, child deaths from COVID-19 need correcting, or have ever been corrected?

Personally, I find it abhorrent that you believe doctors would inflate pediatric COVID death numbers. And make the claim they did, just do you can justify your ignorant arguments. These are kids we are talking about. Is there no bottom you would stoop to?

Once again, please explain the reason to inflate pediatric COVID deaths for me.

 

So after I proved hospitalizations are over inflated you try to move the goalposts. Shocking! Lol. I guess when you are proven wrong you don’t have much left but to try to throw crap against the wall. Some on here actually buy it. You keep pushing kids to get vaccinated and keep us up to date on those crazy variants.

 

I moved the goalposts? I asked for proof of inflated children deaths. You gave inflated hospital rates. A hospital visit isn't a death. And it makes sense hospital rates for kids would be inflated. Asymptomatic kids, which isn't uncommon, who went into the hospital for non-COVID reasons would still be marked at COVID positive.

But there's still nothing about inflating COVID-19 death totals for kids. And again, why in the hell would anyone want to inflate this number? What purpose would it serve?

Show me proof of inflated children COVID death rates, as you stated there were (your goalposts). And tell me why anyone would inflate them.

 

Oops. This is what some people like yourself refuse to understand. Dying of Covid is very different than dying with Covid. Game. Set. Match.


Deaths in Children and Young People in England following SARS-CoV-2 infection during the first pandemic year: a national study using linked mandatory child death reporting data

"This is the first study to differentiate between CYP [<18yos] who have died of SARS-CoV-2 infection rather than died with a positive SARS-CoV-2 test as a coincidental finding. Our result is 60% lower than the figures derived from positive tests"

"Our findings emphasize the importance of underlying comorbidities as the main risk factor for death, as 76% had chronic conditions, 64% had multiple comorbidities, and 60% had life-limiting conditions."

"During the same time period studied there were 124 deaths from suicide and 268 deaths from trauma, emphasizing COVID-19 is rarely fatal in CYP."

 

This is like trying to say that no one actually dies from cancer. Which, very few actually do. Why are you even trying to argue this one way or the other, did I miss a previous point that someone made regarding this?

 

Difference being cancer directly caused those peoples deaths. That's not debatable. But to say Covid caused EVERY reported death is not only extremely hard to believe but I believe will eventually proven to be lowered when/if they ever review the deaths. I've posted proof of that happening already.

 

COVID-19 is rarely fatal here in children. And this is finally evidence of what I asked for. Good job. The article claims about 1 in 3 kids who died with a positive COVID test died directly from COVID, and about 1 in 3 had an infection that it can't be denied COVID may have contributed as a COD.

Still nothing about inflated children death numbers here in the US. Also, if you do the math, reduce the England child COVID by 2/3 and do a population comparison, that comes out to be an expected 290 child deaths in the US. A little lower than the actual number, but then ethnicity plays a part in the equation, as does infection rate. Don't have time for those calculations. But bottom line, it suggests the over inflation of child COVID deaths in the US isn't very big.

Nevertheless, even if we cut US child COVID deaths by 1/3, that's still over 100 kids who died from the virus. Which is still significantly higher than kids who have died from taking the vaccine. Unless you believed the debunked and now deleted 900 kids died from the vaccine Instagram post.

 

There you go, keep digging that hole deeper. It's comical at this point. Get back to those pesky variants.

 

Liberating from what though? We all feel and are impacted by things differently. I haven't been fearful for myself one day during this. That does not mean I am immune or can't be harmed. I just don't live my life that way. I have been vigilant in getting those that I care about and are more vulnerable vaccinated. (My parents. My wife's grandfather etc).
I certainly understand how different folks, wired differently than myself would feel liberated, and I am thrilled they have that freedom.

 

What the British study shows is that kids don't need to be vaccinated unless they have underlying conditions. Britain overcounted the Covid deaths by 41% so it makes sense that the US would be similar. Some people are so dug in their views that they won't look at the real world data and admit they were wrong.

 

Just follow the $cience.

 

While death is by far the worst outcome of COVID-19, it's not the only complication. At least 10% of kids, and some studies show as high as 25% who recover from COVID show long haul symptoms. The vaccine prevents this. Do if death numbers are significantly lower with the vaccine, and the vaccine prevents all long haul symptoms, isn't the vaccine the better option?

And yes, another reason all eligible should get vaccinated are variants. It isn't a scare tactic, like the ignorant will tell you. It's simple virology 101. Viruses exist to find a host to copy itself. These copies will have errors, known as mutations, and if this mutation gives the virus an advantage over its predecessors, a new variant is born.

The latest is Lamda, out of Peru. Not a lot known about this variant, but genetics suggest it will be no worse than Delta. Still, from the article:

But big questions remain unanswered. It is not yet clear whether Lambda is more transmissible than other variants, whether it causes more severe disease or whether it renders vaccines less effective.
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Again, not fear, but simple virus fact. The more people infected with COVID, the greater the chance of mutation and new variants. Vaccines that prevent a significant portion of the population from being infected limits the virus' opportunities to mutate into a new variant.

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Ahh, the ol' "long haul" excuse. Good one. If everything else fails, let's go back to "long haul", something that can't be proven. Too predictable. There is zero RCT "long haul" studies out there. Let me know when there is one. Otherwise it's a guess. Good job turning back to those scary variants.

 

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If pediatric COVID long haul isn't a thing, please explain why several COVID units established pediatric COVID long haul wings? And one again, you are wrong. There are several long haul studies, including this one focusing on pediatric cases.

Evidence from the first study of long covid in children suggests that more than half of children aged between 6 and 16 years old who contract the virus have at least one symptom lasting more than 120 days, with 42.6 per cent impaired by these symptoms during daily activities. These interim results are based on periodic assessments of 129 children in Italy who were diagnosed with covid-19 between March and November 2020 at the Gemelli University Hospital in Rome (medRxiv, doi.org/fv9t).
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And here's a good article on the danger of Delta, explaining our best defense against this and other variants is vaccinating everyone.

The Delta variant will likely fizzle out one way or another as it eventually runs out of easy targets. But, by the rules of evolution, it will promote and then be replaced by the next variant as we march through the Greek alphabet. Perhaps these variants will cause milder symptoms, or perhaps a more severe disease before reaching their limit. As long as susceptible people remain, the virus will continue to do its aimless business of switching it up and hopping from here to there.

Indeed, this pattern will repeat whether or not CDC guidance about masks or distancing or returning to work is updated. This guidance is built to be useful for most people, most of the time, but it will never perfectly protect everyone. Frequent updates can sharpen the focus but, even then, public health guidance remains a blunt instrument usually only followed enthusiastically by those who are already on board with taking safety precautions.

Given these limitations, the only way to truly control the pandemic is to vaccinate more and more people. Just as polio and smallpox and measles and countless other infections continued to cause wide sweeps of harm until a vaccine for each virus was available, so too will this coronavirus shadow us until we are just about all immune -- by vaccine or natural disease. (Emphasis added)​