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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. duchen

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    Fauci s point is for people to be vaccinated to move toward a herd immunity that prevents mutation. And to do so fast. He isn’t wrong. You aren’t hearing him correctly. If the science supports not needing vaccines, then so be it. But, for now, the data is preliminary. In Great Britain, they delayed the period between vaccines so everyone could get one shot and they are seeing an uptick in cases now. So, offering criticism of the theoretical concept that infection offers protection isn’t really constructive for the moment.
     
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  2. ursidman

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    Congratulations to these states for having efficient public health systems and citizens smart enough to understand pandemics
     
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  3. ncargat1

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    Rather than read anything from a know-nothing like Rand Paul, I have tried to stick to scientists who have greater interest in true scientific discovery, protecting people and saving lives than making political statements. I have listened to Dr. Raccaniello's podcast since Dec 19 when this virus broke out and my friends in Beijing were already running scared. His opinions are not the be-all, end-all of science, but I find his views passionately scientific. Here is a brief quote from the linked interview that addresses your statement above.

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/marty-makary/92434
     
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  4. G8trGr8t

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    nonsense. 76% of Manuas were infected. 7 months later, the same city was ravaged again.

    Resurgence of COVID-19 in Manaus, Brazil, despite high seroprevalence - The Lancet

    After initially containing severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), many European and Asian countries had a resurgence of COVID-19 consistent with a large proportion of the population remaining susceptible to the virus after the first epidemic wave.
    By contrast, in Manaus, Brazil, a study of blood donors indicated that 76% (95% CI 67–98) of the population had been infected with SARS-CoV-2 by October, 2020.High attack rates of SARS-CoV-2 were also estimated in population-based samples from other locations in the Amazon Basin—eg, Iquitos, Peru 70% (67–73). The estimated SARS-CoV-2 attack rate in Manaus would be above the theoretical herd immunity threshold (67%), given a basic case reproduction number (R0) of 3.

    In this context, the abrupt increase in the number of COVID-19 hospital admissions in Manaus during January, 2021 (3431 in Jan 1–19, 2021, vs 552 in Dec 1–19, 2020) is unexpected and of concern (figure).
    After a large epidemic that peaked in late April, 2020, COVID-19 hospitalisations in Manaus remained stable and fairly low for 7 months from May to November, despite the relaxation of COVID-19 control measures during that period (figure).

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  5. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

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    How many were second infections?
     
  6. gatordavisl

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    Add Maryland to that list. Several other states getting close.

    New York .....69%
    Illinois
    Virginia.........68'%
    Minnesota
    Delaware
    Colorado.......67%
    Oregon

    See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State
     
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  7. ursidman

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    Of the 13 states I listed that had reached 70% vaccination and the 7 near ones you listed - of those top 20 isn't it weird that 17 of them had a Democrat Governor (85%) and yet Republicans held 27 of 50 governorships?
     
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  8. buckeyegator

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    i could say that democrats follow like sheep and lemmings while republicans weigh the pro's and con's of a still new vacine.must be something to that, i saw that about 150 or so health careworkers in houston were suspended for refusing the shots, you think they would have a good idea of what it can do.
     
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  10. homer

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    Their lemming leader ran away from the cliff so there’s that. :)
     
  11. gator95

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  12. gatordavisl

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    Those sheep and lemmings are the ones unafraid of doing what is necessary to defeat the virus. Meanwhile others have resisted, whined, cried, and bitched about their freedom to behave ignorantly.
     
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  13. AzCatFan

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    An extra 200 or so, mostly mild cases of myocarditis, that goes away on its own in 6 months or less. Still only correlation, and no causation. And it's possible that because these kids were monitored more closely than usual, the rise in cases is simply due to said monitoring. Especially since mild cases of myocarditis often goes undiagnosed, with no symptoms.
     
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  14. gator95

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    First off, those are only the reported cases. Most cases don't get reported. Covid vaccine for kids shouldn't be given unless there is an underlying condition. Like Germany is doing.


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    damn. I had forgotten all about this term. Observational equivalence. I'll use it in a sentence. Inaction due to weighing the pros & cons of the vaccine is observationally equivalent to inaction as the result of being a fearful dumbass.
     
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  16. dangolegators

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    No, healthcare workers who refuse to get vaccinated do not have a good idea about what it can do.
     
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  17. buckeyegator

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    than why are so many nationally and worldwide not getting the shots?
     
  18. dangolegators

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    Because they are fools.
     
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  19. AzCatFan

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    Between what's going on in Brazil, and the UK, which delayed second shot vaccines in order to try and get everyone at least on dose, the US Surgeon General is warning unvaccinated Americans about the India variant. This variant spreads faster and is potentially more dangerous. And similar to the Brazil variant, natural immunity seems to be less effective than vaccine immunity.

    These will also not be the last variant. As people get infected, the virus will copy itself, guaranteed. Some of these copies won't be perfect, and some mutations will lead to variants. This is a guarantee as well. Whether or not one of these variants will beat the vaccine and/or natural immunity at a great rate is an unknown at this point. The best way to prevent this from happening? Get vaccinated, and stop the virus from being to replicate itself as much as possible.
     
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  20. gatordavisl

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    The race against variants appears to continue. After things were going splendidly since mid April, the 7-day average has plateaued and might even be increasing. It dipped below 14k a couple days ago, but rose above 15k.
    Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count
     
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