Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

They are absolutely separate. The original post was about how you generally defend 95 as a poster (when the point being made was that somebody was turning his debating tactics against his point) and why I think that you do that, from my perspective, while ignoring all the things he says that you claim to disagree with in their entirety. I was in no way addressing moderation, which is a different act than posting. However, I recognize that sometimes people receive information differently than it was meant. But I would point out that you referred to me having a different perspective than you as "twisting" and not yourself doing the same as such.

 

I mean you certainly seemed to support it, which is fine. I did too.

 

Here you go. Just admit it and move on.

 

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post...ince-lifting-all-restrictions-two-months-ago/

 

"generally defend 95 as a poster"? I mean yeah...when people call him a Trumper I point out that he hates Trump, but that's an exaggeration.
I must have missed all those humanitarian posts by you defending people on the other side of the aisle.

Good lord. Fine. Everyone stop calling people liars. If you cant defend a claim retract it.
The two of you have been acting like this back and forth since almost day one.

Neither of you needs defending for your way of doing that. I will however defend the position I agree with...as a poster.

 

Our pediatrician does not recommend kids getting the vaccine. One doctor friend of ours describes the situation as "kids just don't get it" (regarding COVID and/or any related symptoms). Obviously it wasn't a literal statement, just an expression of how few kids it seems to impact. As a parent, we tend to side on not doing anything "for the kids" that they don't need. I'm not a unicorn in that regard, and if there's any desire to change this view, it needs to be routed through the pediatricians. Get them on board, and the rest of us will likely follow.

Some numbers to consider:

Approximately 3.5 million children in FL under the age of 15
Approximately 200,000 children in FL under the age of 15 have tested positive for COVID (many more have had it but have not been tested, I can explain if anybody is interested)
Approximately 1,300 children in FL under the age of 15 have been hospitalized while also testing positive for COVID (this includes going in with a broken arm but also positive for COVID, you count as a COVID hospitalization) --> this is less than 0.04% of all children under the age of 15.
7 deaths of children in FL under the age of 15 from COVID

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

The first post was purely posting emails of discussions going on early in the pandemic with no opinion from me given. That is a gigantic stretch ("twisting" to use your words) to claim it is a call to close schools (especially when the context was a former poster claiming that nobody knew this was serious in January and February, which is what that was answering).

The second post was addressing a particular argument (that community issues were not a factor in school decisions) and doesn't say that all schools should be closed.

Try again, if you would like, but neither of those posts said all schools should be closed (which they don't because that wasn't my position outside of the initial lockdown prior to our knowledge being developed).

 

I might be. But until we get the confirmed data we won't know for sure. I was for sure wrong on Auto Accidents last year. I thought they would decrease. I was obviously very wrong on that prediction.

 

oopsy.

 

Thus my reason for saying the word "support".

I have mostly ignored the back and forth between you two as many of us have.

For the folks scoring at home...what is your position on schools. Or better yet. What was it a while back?
My mask position changed. It is OK.

Were you ever for closing schools?

 

Goodness gracious. Shouldn't there be an intelligence test required for eligibility in Congress?

 

I was early on (i.e., the initial measures in March). After that, I was in favor of localized control of the issue based upon some knowledge of community spread. So local areas with high levels of spread should stay closed or, more accurately, go remote. Areas with lower spread could open, although they needed to properly socially distance, use masks, and utilize any other methods they could to keep spread low. The big thing that I supported was the development of some sort of transparent classification system for when an area was "high" or "low" spread to make that call less motivated by other concerns. Also, I was okay with A-B scheduling and other hybrid methods.

Schools in general are very important. I multiple times stated that school opening should be a heavy motivation of measures to control spread in the late spring and early summer.

 

Unfortunately that is the electorates job.

 

Thanks. Appreciate the answer.

 

Yeah, that is not a call to keep schools closed. That was dismissing the notion that nobody was discussing hybrid systems (which they were, as evidenced by the fact that many systems ended up doing just that). Then I described the issues leading to the hybrid discussions, i.e., that there were social distancing issues for full classrooms and that distancing 5 days a week would cause issues with staffing, which is why many districts were considering hybrid options like A-B scheduling.

A-B scheduling is not a closed school.

 

If you and I interact, and I get the vaccine and you don't, I'm still providing you a certain level of protection. If I happen to run into someone COVID +, my chances of contracting the virus and spreading it to you is significantly diminished because I'm vaccinated. This is the nature of herd immunity. Enough people vaccinated and the vectors for COVID to spread is so low, we all have protection.

The chart about blood clots previously posted was regarding the Astra-Zeneca vaccine. You can't get that vaccine right now in the US. Now even approved for emergency use. The vaccines that are approved in the US, the only one with any significant effects have been the J&J, and even those clots are about 1 in 1 million or less, for women between 25 and 45.

The VAERS site is also not down, and hasn't been since January. It was overloaded in January when the vaccine started wide distribution, and people were encouraged to report any and all side effects. And most of those reported were minor, temporary side effects like headaches, fatigue, nausea, soreness in injection site, etc., and these all go away after 48 hours. This is generally the immune system turning on, and are to be expected.

Pfizer also tested about 2,400 kids 12 - 15, and they reported the exact same symptoms, at pretty much the exact same rate. To date, we know 600,000 more have received the first shot, and likely over 1 million kids 12-15 by the end of this weekend. If there were major side effects, it would be widely reported by now.

Now, remember the protection I give you if I'm vaccinated? Same applies for kids. If you and we as a whole wait until the CDC gives full use, we run the risk of new variants popping up that can attack kids or possibly be vaccine resistant. It may already be too late for a variant that attack kids, as Brazil, with 2/3 of the population as the US, has seen more than 3X the number of kids under six die from COVID.

Wait if you want. But know that by doing so, you are putting everyone at risk for a new COVID variant. And let's all hope the Brazilian variant isn't more dangerous to kids than the other variants.

 

And some people can't wait to jab their kids with an emergency use vaccine.

 

This attitude is something else. Chances are your vote has never made a single difference in any election. So why do you vote? Allowing for patience on this issue means allowing more people to die. I have no patience for that.

 

Do you see when VAER's is updated from? It's data only goes to the 3rd week in April last I saw. So yeah, they are woefully behind. No other way to say it. Stop with the kids crap. It makes no sense. Zero. I'm not putting anyone at risk. My kids are perfectly safe and I'm safe. Stop with the fear porn. It's flat out crazy talk.