Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

We don't even have suicide numbers from 2019, so how the hell do we have suicide numbers from 2020? Last OFFICIAL numbers on suicides are from 2018. But IF in about 18 months the numbers show suicides in 2020 went down, i'll gladly admit it then.

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No, it isn't defined by Newsom either. I just pointed out that your claim that he said it was is false (or at least unsupported by the evidence that you provided). It is defined by researchers studying the issue. The reason they get to define it in this context is if you want to discuss the relative effects of different policies on disease spread, you have to come up with a specific definition of the term that is falsifiable. "Lockdown" as a term is usually falsifiable based on whether there were direct controls preventing movement of people outside the home. Were those policies, on an international level, shown statistically to be related to decreased disease spread? Yes. But we never implemented those policies in the US.

So, for example, this Lancet paper that models lockdowns defined it as "particularly strict restrictions on movement." A school closure, while likely lowering movement in practice, is not itself a restriction on movement. Which is why it is defined separately as another non-phamaceutical intervention.

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Just more bogus info from you.

In 2019, a total of 47,511 deaths were attributable to suicide.

Changes in Suicide Rates — United States, ....

 

Not my style man. It shouldn't be hard to figure out. One in particular referred to non-vaxers as "Bad people" who "don’t deserve the air they breathe" and when sarcastically asked if their lives mattered, said "Of course they don't". The same poster also said non mask wearers "have no value as human beings".

 

So even though CA locked down you say they didn't even though they did. Got it.

 

You’ve already moved the goal posts on your “lockdowns don’t work” to “lock downs in the US don’t work”. Why is that? Is it because other countries actually took the virus seriously and Americans are a bunch of entitled assholes? Why yes, that’s exactly why. So no, data from Europe is not useless, I never said it’s useless. It’s great for a baseline understanding but hardly 100% transferable. No two places anywhere in the world handled Covid identically. The only study that mattered in determining wether MY KID was safe at school was the study done at Robert’s elementary in Suwanee Georgia. The rest prove nothing in regards to how MY SON would be impacted.

 

So we don't have official 2020 suicide stats. Got it. Thanks for proving me right. Appreciate it.

 

Since when is it not your style to specifically call someone out? I mentioned some stuff about anti vaxxers. Are you talking about me?

 

LOL. Kids have a higher risk from the Flu than covid but you are worried about covid for him? Sounds like you are misinformed on the subject.

 

You were proved wrong. 2019 numbers are official. And we have preliminary 2020 numbers and the numbers indicate that there were fewer suicides in 2020 than 2019, also proving you wrong.

 

Let's see. You said suicides went down in 2020. I said we have no OFFICIAL data on that, which we don't. I said we don't have OFFICIAL data for 2019 yet(I was wrong, was released in Feb 2021). Good job on the 2019 data. Bad job on 2020.

 

Ummm, no?

I am saying that no place in the US restricted movement, so they didn't engage in a literature defined lockdown. They engaged in a variety of different NPIs, as did just about every place in the world, and their NPIs tended on the more strict side by US standards, but it wasn't a lockdown. Again, if you want to know the effectiveness individually of every NPI, there is literature out there to answer those questions. You just have to define what you want to know.

 

Even though everyone called it a lockdown but you. Got it. LOL

 

No, I am using the scientific literature (which is also the best source for whether NPIs were successful at lowering disease spread). I am not the author of that literature.

 

Link me to where I retroactively named a poster by name? Quoting one and making a point or calling out the quoted post or poster is not the same as pulling a name from another thread and rehashing it here.

Again, an anti vaxer is not the same as someone not getting the Covid vax specifically. I was not speaking about you at all.

 

nope, I’m plenty informed thank you. I tend to stay away from the fringe conspiracy theorists though. Clay Travis isn’t my source of “news”. I’d recommend you do the same.

I have to ask, what does that have to do with what I posted, how could that have been known in September when a decision had to be made, and why is totally cool for you to fear a vaccine but I’m not allowed to fear Covid for my kid? It takes a real special kind of asshole to shame someone for protecting their kids.

Also, I have to ask, what does Covid in kids look like after 10 years? I’m sure you have a study that says it’s like totes cool and stuff. Again, you can fear the long term effects of the vaccine on your kids but I can’t have the same concerns about Covids long term effects? Please elaborate on why you’re not a hypocritical POS?

Thanks, I’ll hang up and listen, and probably see y’all after my ban in a few days.

 

Per a CNN poll announced this afternoon, 8% of democrats will NOT get vaccine as opposed to 44% of republicans. As a whole, about 25% of Americans will NOT get the vaccine. This means arriving at “herd immunity” will be difficult to attain.

It’s a mystery to me why the decision whether to get a vaccine is apparently partly political.

 

We don't know anything about the long term efficacy of the covid vaccine on children without having oh, I don't know, maybe clinical trials like they do for every other vaccine? So yeah, i'm more aft to put off getting the vaccine for my kids until more data is available. We had data from Europe on schools opening from multiple different countries. Long term Covid? In kids? Yeah, i'll call BS on that. Keeping kids from school isn't protecting them. We've know this since the summer. Clay Travis as my news source? Go research the flu and Covid in kids. I know it's not popular, but the flu is more dangerous to kids. I get that it doesn't fit the covid is awful media panic porn, but that is a fact. But thanks for the insult. Not surprising.

 

1. Everything is political.
2. If 75% are vaxed and another percentage had Covid. Wont that get us to herd immunity?

Dr. Fauci says 70% may be enough, and that includes immune based on antibodies from having Covid:
Fauci: Child Vaccinations Needed for Herd Immunity.