Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

This is what I predicted would happen. Biden caving to the teachers unions. So sad.

Biden tells @NorahODonnell his CDC will be issuing "science-based judgment... as early as Weds to lay out what the minimum requirements are" for schools to reopen safely. "You have to have fewer ppl in the classroom. You have to have ventilation systems that have been reworked."

And by science-based he means “what the teachers unions tell me they want”
What about places like Florida and all the other state who have been open all year? Did they bother to look at them? Or to look at Europe? Literally tons of data out there for anyone to research. Politics with kids futures sucks.

 

it is possible that opening schools don’t contribute to a meaningful increase of Covid in the community, but at the same time be a risk to the individual teacher. I think one of my son’s teachers got Covid, I’m not sure. Luckily she is young so not much impact.

 

Just learned Friday that Gwinnett County is not providing disinfectant wipes or sanitizer to the classrooms and are relying on parent donations. I didn’t catch what measures are in place and what supplies are provided to my sons school in metro Atlanta in any of the European studies.

 

Trust me, if there was data that teachers were getting Covid higher than that of the regular population, I’m quite confident the NYT’s would be running that story non stop for weeks.

 

I think that is the point of the article, but I also think it depends on the source. This goes back to what I contend about the public. Most people don't care enough to engage in discorse like we all do here. Most people only have time for little soundbites and a glance at the notification from their CNN or Fox app.
Those main headlines and stories are almost 100% negative.

 

Chart showing in person schooling in the US.

 

12 states in the 80-100% in person school category. 3 of those states in top 5 for deaths per capita. 5 states in the 0-20% category, 2 of those states in the bottom 5 for deaths per capita.

I'm not sure if this chart helps your case.

 

The other thing that keeps getting reported is that teachers don't want to go back to the classroom because they don't "feel" safe. If the data and science could point to whether or not it was actually safe (not sure if it does or not) then they still wouldn't want to return. Not sure how you convince people when they are going by their feelings rather than science and data. And guess what, that goes both ways including people that don't FEEL like wearing a mask makes them safer.

 

Sure it does. I've posted facts that show schools aren't spreading Covid more than if kids aren't in school. Here is the telltale chart of NY, Cali and Florida. One has full time in person schooling, one majority online and one hardly any in person schooling. You tell me who is doing the best job.





And when you factor in the age of Florida compared to NY and CA, it's flat out amazing how well Florida is doing comparatively. So yes, I think the chart does help my case.

 

Agree that it is an issue. Frankly, the only way is to force them is by having states stop paying if they won't teach in person after they are vaccinated. I'm all for making it as safe as possible, and i'm for teachers being right behind the elderly for vaccinations, but this is posturing by the teachers unions. And they succeeded in having Biden make the CDC(coming Wednesday) say what needs to happen for all schools to open safely. Wonder what happens in the states where schools are currently open and have been open for almost 6 months? Do they close down to make the adjustments? That will be a complete disaster for the states that are open. We shall see what happens soon enough I guess.

 

No it doesn't help his case. The map shows a very clear correlation -- states with more in-person schooling also have higher case rates.

 

Correlation does not imply causation - Wikipedia.

This comes to mind when people make claims with no backing.

 

No backing? Do you not agree that there is a correlation between states with more in-person schooling and states with higher case rates?

 

Do you understand what correlation without causation means? Just because one thing has happened doesn't mean it was the cause of something else to happen.

No I don't agree. If that was the case Florida would be much higher than middle of the pack in cases. Also, if that was the case, California would be doing great since no one goes to in person schooling. But as the other chart shows, California is doing worse than Florida currently with hospitalizations. You know this and were called out on it before.

 

Why. Are. You. Guys. Still. Arguing.

It is futile.

 

You don't agree that there is a correlation? Do you know what correlation means?

 

i said go to nuetral corners, although it is fun not being in the middle for a change.

 

Read what I posted again and get back to me.

 

If there are no other variables, you are correct. But certainly, there are many other variables, such as California being hit by a new strain that like the one from England, is much more virulent than the original COVID-19 strain that came to the US. This meant higher infection rates in CA than other places, even if the same protocols and preventative measures were in place in both places.

The fact that there is correlation between schools open and higher COVID case counts suggests causation. Doesn't mean it's 100% true, but again, where there's correlation, there is a possibility of causation. And with so much we don't know about COVID-19, the risks in high infection areas of keeping schools open could be the lives of teachers and other adults who work at schools. Can anyone say for certain that schools being open didn't lead to Tucson Unified School District losing four employees in a five-day span (and 6 overall in a month) to COVID-19?

When you are risking people's lives, I think the best thing to do is err on the side of caution.

 

Yeah, I read it, and it's very clear that you don't understand what correlation means.