Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Cuomo being Cuomo. Can’t wait for his book on winning the vaccine rollout.

 

Here are the CDC Guidelines, again, for when COVID should be listed on a death certificate. It's the guidelines the entire country has been following since April. Note, there is no difference or even mention of dying from COVID or dying with COVID, because that's not anything the medical community would use to distinguish.

As for when the teacher deaths happen, read the other links. 230 were between April, before some schools closed, and the link, which was dated mid Sept. The Iowa link was November, and covered just the dates since the start of school.

If there is conflicting data about increase in COVID spread in schools when community rates are high, how do we know which is the norm, and which is the outlier? If the higher spreads are the outliers, prove it. If the lower spread is the actual outlier, and the higher spread in school is the norm during high community spread outbreaks, then re-opening schools in places with high spread is playing Russian Roulette with teacher's lives. And until we know, is it better to be safe or sorry, when we're talking about other people's lives?

 

Key word in the first paragraph is Should. Not happening.

As for teachers, there’s risk of Flu deaths every year to kids but we keep sending them to school. And the flu is significantly more dangerous to kids than Covid is. But you know that. Stop defending the indefensible. Schools should be open. If teachers don’t want to teach they don’t have to. Let some do zoom and others it’s their choice. Unfortunately we aren’t giving kids that choice.

 

gonna wait for the movie.

 

Per WorldOMeter we hit 300k new cases today for the first time.

 

75000 or 25% from just california and texas, gotta give newsom credit.

 

Newsom is the Governor of Texas too?

 

guess not, maybe no french restaraunts in austin.

 

I just noticed Illinois lowered their 1b vaccine tier to 65. I think more and more states will do that. They realize 65+ is where covid hits hardest and the largest percentage of deaths.

 

Georgia did as well.

 

80% of Covid deaths are over 65. Smart move. Unfortunately we have idiots in some states still vaccinating other people before the most susceptible get vaccinated.

 

You showed a study that said when there is no large scale community spread, then it is safe to reopen schools. Not sure anyone disputes that. You ignored my point that such a study needs to be done when there is large scale community spread. Then, and only then would your point that kids need to be in school no matter what would be valid.

Until such data in available, nothing has been proven.

 

Look up above. I linked a study. It’s not proven that there is spread or no spread when there is a large scale community spread. So, with the data showing it’s sometimes positive or negative, we should have the kids in school. We are committing child abuse by keeping kids especially the poor and minority kids from in person learning. If a teacher wants to not teach, that is their choice. Kids don’t have a choice. Europe(who many on here love) has been having their kids in school for longer than the US and many many countries have higher outbreaks than the US

Plus, we aren’t even discussing the elephant in the room. The ridiculous level we are using for a positive case. A 40 cycle PCR is beyond stupid and no one who is intelligent can justify the US or anywhere using that metric.

 

I agree with you on the threshold being Yes/No only is probably wrong. However, if someone actually received a cycle threshold value of say 40 and were told that you have to come back to 2-4 days to see if this is on the way up or way down, you would never see them again and testing them would have been a waste and you would have tens of thousands of people out spreading virus. It is because Americans have no self-control or discipline that public health officials have to treat everyone like 4 year olds (see f-tards who cannot put on a mask because they are too intellectually challenged).

As to the children and your mellow drama, I remember going back nearly 30 years ago when all these conservatives were taking their kids out of the public school system and homeschooling because schools were too liberal. Funny, back then, home schooling was GREAT because we could teach our kids "our way". Even more recently, all of you righties were HUGE proponents of virtual schools and technology that was going to "revolutionize" our education system and crush those damned evil liberal teachers once and for all. Now, it is child abuse.

So, I am assuming then, that you are in favor of removing the children from every parent who was home schooling before the pandemic since it is "child abuse"? Correct??

The success or failure of our children in education is not different today, then it was 6 months ago, 12 months ago or 24 months ago. It is 100% wholly dependent upon the level of parental involvement in shaping the students educational futures. That is not different because of the pandemic. Most of these whining and complaining people just want their government paid for day care back in whatever form it takes.....call it school, call it day care or what have you.

Off topic, I thought all of you righties were supposed to be big on the individual? Suddenly it is child abuse without the "village" to educate your kids because why....you cannot be bothered to do it because you would actually have to spend time with them??

 

Wow, so now it’s just ripping someone who’s a conservative for wanting to have our children educated. Good job. And if you think children aren’t falling behind during these past 10 months, then there’s no use having a conversation with someone who’s so misinformed.

 

Covid-19 immunity likely lasts for years

Good news if true.

 

Good news. Especially with a sample size of 0

 

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13484

Stanford study on how awful lockdowns have been. Still have some people thinking they work...

 

Not surprising that one of the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration is also an author of this paper. They went to great lengths to arrive at their desired conclusion. They used Sweden as one of their comparator nations but somehow failed to include neighbors Norway and Finland. Wonder why?

Sweden: 48k cases per million, 931 deaths per million
Norway: 10k cases per million, 87 deaths per million
Finland. 7k cases per million, 106 deaths per million