Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

The flu isn’t 1/10 as deadly to most healthcare workers. That’s false. Death rate for the average healthcare worker is similar between the flu and Covid. Covid targets the elderly. They should be first to get the vaccine, then those with underlying conditions, then healthcare workers and teachers. Kids should be dead last. This was handled poorly by the CDC but that’s not surprising. We’ve bungled so much already. There are healthcare workers that are turning down the vaccine so if they want to have nurses and doctors they might not want to force people to take something that we don’t know the effects of.

https://www.latimes.com/california/...kers-refuse-covid-19-vaccine-access?_amp=true

 

Still waiting to agree with you on something. You take the vaccine. I’ll wait 9-12 months and see what happens with all guinea pigs before deciding if it’s the right choice for me and my family.

 

And in the interim put others at risk without rationality. This is why this nation is ungovernable.

 

how am I putting others at risk? They all have the vaccine. Pandemic over. Good effort though on the fear porn.

 

Herd immunity. Vaccines are only 90% to 95% effective. But if herd immunity is reached, and over 70% of the population has immunity, the 5% to 10% of people who aren't protected by the vaccine are still safe.

If enough people feel like you and don't get the vaccine, then we won't reach herd immunity. And that puts others at risk, including a percentage of those who took the vaccine.

 

You're plainly smart but you're not very honest in your arguments. That's obvious by now. You are attempting to defend the indefensible and you're not doing a very good job.

Obviously you're not alone. it's why I don't have near as much confidence about the future of this great nation.

 

Nothing indefensible here. I’m not having my kids(who are significantly more likely to die from the flu) take a vaccine that hasn’t been researched like every other vaccine my kids have ever taken. You take the risk. We will wait. My mom is taking the vaccine next week, but she’s 79. I’m not anywhere near the front of the line anyway so by the time they get to me maybe there will be enough info on the vaccine that I’ll be comfortable taking it.

 

The way this rollout is going it will be 6-9 months anyways before my turn. And I’m not ready to give my kids a vaccine that doesn’t affect them yet. I’ll put that off as long as I can. Once we vaccinate the at risk people(will be a while since Cuomo is vaccinated drug rehab places before the elderly), the death rate will crash and this thing won’t strain our hospitals ever again.

 

999 out of 1000 would be the flu. And some employers already require their employees to get the flu vaccine each year as a condition of their employment.

Covid is closer to 99 out of 100.

 

That can be technically true, but casting doubt on the process is corrosive on our body politic and it’s also incredibly stupid. Many have died because we have indulged such idiocy

 

Not for most healthcare workers who aren’t in the older demographic. That’s where you are wrong. It is 999 out of 1000 for anyone under 50. And the difference is the flu vaccine has been researched and passed FDA approval after years of research. Apples and oranges.

 

Then your issue is with the guy who said: "forcing people to get a vaccine for something 999 out of 1000 people already don’t die from". Sounds like you think he should have been more careful with his words.

 

Not at all. Read more carefully. I was taking about healthcare workers. Stand by my 999 out of 1000 statement.

 

WTAF is wrong with people



Meanwhile Polk county positivity rate in the 30’s?

 

Really good piece here on some of the stresses from failure to set standards as a society must. It plays into so many of our deficiencies in the conception of society.

On a more specific focus, DNR orders in covid time are really difficult because of the fact that the specific way covid attacks the body makes it much harder to resuscitate after the heart stops, and it's so hard to ask family members to make a decision when they haven't seen their beloved, who checked in during the time when they seemed much more healthy.

What the Chaos in Hospitals Is Doing to Doctors

 

Unsurprisingly, the data show phil to be correct here.

Update: Characteristics of Health Care Personnel with COVID-19 ...

You would need to assume no deaths amongst those with no reported vitals to even split the difference between 0.1% and 1%.

 

You got the first part right but I still have faith in this country. I see a lot of the younger kids who actually understand science and math and it gives me hope.

 

Good point. It will be my daughter's generation that saves us if we are saved. I just get so down in cynical when I see so many people support things that are so obviously wrong for the country.

 

I am elated you agree with me on nothing.
Your rambling anti-science prattle isn’t really something I want to align with.
If I knew nothing about another poster and they disagreed with you, I would automatically assume they were correct.