Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Other surveys say they may be.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/10/new-study-reveals-the-locations-most-likely-to-spread-covid-19/

 

San Diego pause COVID enforcement on restaurants, strip clubs | cbs8.com

 

to bad they dont follow their own advice, talking to you newsom and mayor of san francisco.

 

Again, did you even read the article? Deaths among COVID cases is *not* the same as a COVID death.

 

From the article:

If the are reporting the number of deaths among covid cases of the number of deaths due to covid, then this is a problem. But as reported, deaths among covid cases are a separate bucket and it seems like the numbers in that bucket are exactly what the label says they are.

 

From where did you get this conclusion? Restaurants have been identified as hot spots for as long as I can remember. France's reversal of cases coinciding with restaurant and bar closures seem to support this.

 

Here's the original study article from Nature that lists restaurants, hotels, bars, gyms, and places of worships as superspreader areas responsible for as much as 80% of the COVID cases. The looked at cell phone data from the early days of COVID before there were lockdowns. Then, when all these places shut down, the spread slowed down. As things slowly opened back up, so the did the spread. In this case it's very likely that correlation equals causation.

 

That is a model, not actual data. That's the issue. You can plug in the data to make it say whatever you want your model to spit out. Look at the more recent data of where Covid is spreading. It's a google search away.

 

Then how do you explain the rise in cases when indoor dining, religious services, gyms, and bars were open. The drop when they were closed, and then the subsequent rise in cases as things started to open back up?

 

No idea. But it's a huge stretch to assume that's the reason. Look at the charts from different states that have different Covid restrictions but almost identical Covid numbers. When most real data shows restaurants aren't the main spreader.


How much are restaurants contributing to the spread of COVID-19 in LA County?














To me these all seem very similar, like Covid is running it's course thru different areas at different times. Doesn't matter if restaurants are open or closed.

 

It kind of implied that in the link I posted. Don’t know where they got 2% from. Was kind of surprising to me since even Spock wouldn’t believe that

 

Gotcha. I cannot find the Restaurant Association of Maryland's data published anywhere. Kind of odd for such an esteemed scientific organization.

Narrator: Maryland's 14 day change in deaths is +56%

 

This must be the longest thread ever in Too Hot!

Anyhow, when is it going to be clear to some of you here that we were never going to be able to control this virus. Most states did enough at the start to get this thing figured out some but no single policy or action has been able to stop this thing. California has had some of the most strict restrictions for many months and yet now have more cases per day than pretty much any country in the world.

 

What's the use of COVID restrictions if most places aren't following them? Here's an article dated late June about Los Angeles area restaurants not following all protocols. Mostly non-compliance with mask wearing with employees, and tables/patrons too close together.

The question is why now for the growth around the country? Why not in July or August? Hard to answer. But viruses often grow exponentially if given the chance. Perhaps there needs to be a minimum number of cases in an area for the RO to be large enough to grow exponentially, and we were just lucky that the mitigation measures taken after the lockdown kept the number low enough for months. But unlucky that we hit the tipping point, and now all hell is breaking loose? Just a guess.

We do know that extended proximity to someone who is infected is the most likely way COVID is transmitted, and even though the virus can live on surfaces, transmission through secondary items like doorknobs is rare. But it have been the lockdown only bought us time, and made us complacent, and now, we're paying the price, only months before the there will be enough vaccinated to provide any herd immunity.

 

School is almost as dangerous as a Texas wedding. Kids take off their masks to eat, and they can't help but talk and sometimes shout.

Texas groom holds wedding despite COVID positive test the day before, says photographer

YEE-HAW ! ! !

A Texas wedding photographer says she got COVID-19 after a groom hid that he'd tested positive for the virus a day before the event

Texas report details the harsh realities, risks of being a wedding photographer during the COVID-19 pandemic

So, the teachers in Texas are stupid enough to think that a teacher who dies would be equivalent to a mother dying, as far as trauma to the children involved? (Not to mention that having no pre-conditions is the same as having asthma.) Newsflash: the school district would hire a new teacher, and the schoolkids would recover in a few weeks or months.

 

The vaccine will control the virus, at this point places seeing surges (to the point of full icus) should go into total stay at home orders. That is the only way to kill the spread when it gets out of control, which it obviously has in some places.

 

When was the last anybody heard of someone catching the flu in 2020? Someone dying from the flu in 2020?
It's like the flu just vanished , truly amazing

 

What’s your theory here?

 

Vice President Pence got his vaccine on camera.

I want to take a moment and applaud him for setting a good example. That is the quality leadership needed right now.

 

What's amazing?

Nothing's vanished. You just have a 1 in 15,000 chance of knowing someone that's died of the flu.

A lot of things are still killing people and don't make the news much.

Covid surpasses last year's flu deaths (22k) every week.