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  1. gatorplank

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    You can watch it. It is only 9 minutes long. You can do it. I believe in you.
     
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    LOL
     
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  3. duchen

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    The classic example is Citizens United. Liberals argued corporations don’t have free speech rights. Now they cite it in support of Disney v DeSantis. Conservatives arguing that a baker can’t be punished for being forced to make a cake with a message on it but that Disney entered the political arena and must pay the consequences. Ideology turns on which side of the party is on— not on true ideology. I argued that Citizens Inited was correctly decided and that the baker could be forced to sell a generic cake— but not to include a message. Because my ideology supports robust speech whether I agree with it or not. I haven’t posted here as much because I tire of the alignment.
     
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  4. AgingGator

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    Good to hear from you again. Hope you are well!
     
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  5. duchen

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    All good thanks. Enjoying the playoffs— rooting for just about the bear 8th seeds ever!
     
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  6. lacuna

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    Would it not be better to treat people they way you yourself wish to be treated. As the Law of Reciprocity states in the Golden Rule ~ Deal with others the way you yourself wish to be treated.

    The reciprocity principle is one of the basic laws of social psychology: It says that in many social situations we pay back what we received from others. In other words, if someone does you a favor, you're likely to return it to him. When bad action is returned in retaliation for same, or insult for insult, hostilities only increase.

    Even if you don't like what you are hearing, return good for bad. As the contagion of insult has spread so will civility gradually return among those who sincerely attempt to practice this principle.
     
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  7. cocodrilo

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    To many people the Law of Reciprocity means do unto others before they do unto you.
     
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  8. flgator2

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    No. Maybe you should follow your own advice
     
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  9. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I agree with the golden rule. But it’s also good not to allow yourself to be bullied.
     
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  10. Gator715

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    That's the problem, a whole lot of people don't know how to have a political discussion without insulting the character of the other person.

    And when the pitch is:
    "We have better policy" against "they are evil people comparable to Nazis and segregationists" the latter pitch wins every time.

    Once someone turns this into a character game, the gloves come off and they should come off. Do I generally believe in turning things into a character game? No. But the best way to incentivize the "golden rule" in other people is to make them pay for not adhering to it. If people only have this positive feedback loop from demonizing everyone who disagrees with them, they're going to keep doing it. And the reverse is true as well. If people only experience losses for adhering to the golden rule, they're going to stop adhering to it.
     
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  11. Gator715

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    Much better and more concise version of what I said. Well done.
     
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  12. Gator715

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    Like it or not, politics is a power game.

    You either treat it as a power game or you're a martyr. Some of the sleaziest ones out there are able to convince the populace that they are a martyr while simultaneously playing the cynical power games that is typical in American politics.
     
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