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CNBC article on the changes in tipping practices ...

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  1. WarDamnGator

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    I'm at the point of being fed up with tipping (in advance) at counter service restaurants where the service is absolute shit, but this article talks more about how in some cases tipping is turning into a "bribe" just to get any level of service instead of a reward for good service. With the food delivery services, like Doordash, if a person doesn't offer a tip at all, or something like $1 for a 3+ mile delivery, it's likely that a Doordash worker won't pick up the order and the food will never get delivered.

    I kind of blame Doordash for setting up the system like that ... they pay something like $2.50 + tip for delivery, so any order that doesn't offer a decent tip upfront is ignored. The math just doesn't work out for drivers unless there is like a $10 tip offered upfront ... driving from where you are at to a restaurant, waiting at the restaurant for the order, then driving to their house, is worth more than $2.50... IRS estimates auto expenses at $0.65 per mile, so more than ~4 miles and you are losing money on auto expenses and working for free....

    Tipping once rewarded good service. Now it predicts how you're treated (cnbc.com)
     
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  2. oragator1

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    Anyone dumb enough to regularly waste their money on door dash or Uber eats deserves what they get (or don’t get). They mark up the menu price by 20 percent or more in many cases, charge a service fee, delivery fee, and then want a tip on top of that. It almost doubles the price of the order. And on top of that, I think they charge the restaurant for being on their list too.
    Uber eats used to offer me a $25 free cert to try it. Just for my own food right at $25, with all the fees and markups the end cost was almost the same as if I had just picked it up myself. It’s insane. pick it up on the way home from work, or order from somewhere that had their own delivery.
     
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  3. gator7_5

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    The average American pisses away an amazing amount of money every year. Usually the working class. I have multiple subs who will drink 25 dollars in energy drinks and eat a 15 dollar store lunch every day and complain about being broke. They could pack a cooler and save 150-200 bucks a week. Just unreal.
     
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  4. sierragator

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    Then when you read accounts of the driver sampling the food before they drop it off, eff that.
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    I am over the tipping as well for so many things. The people I tip great are sit down restaurant servers and pizza delivery. There are some off things like when we went zip lining or a charter fishing trip. But I am with you.

    The other day Tropical Smoothie had it set up so you really had to work not to tip. Started with 15% ready to go. Working the terminal was difficult and easily could have led people to just hit the green button. I took the 30 seconds to figure it out lol…

    With that said. I am a big tipper for the things mentioned above. I worked the service industry and they earn it!
     
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  6. channingcrowderhungry

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    Those services are great for avoiding a DUI once or twice a year when there isn't much around the house or feeling lazy. But people that use it for shit like McDonald's and Taco Bell regularly, or even snacks from the gas station, are really dumb.
     
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  7. citygator

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    That is the single biggest fight in my house. I have never use a food delivery service cuz I am not a lazy entitled brat.... my wife and kids however... boy it starts the fireworks.
     
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  8. citygator

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    Tipping sucks. It is a terrible American Tradition...I do it like Im supposed to but I'd rather pay a sticker price. I'd add car buying to the list of terrible transactions in America.
     
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  9. sierragator

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    No problem rewarding low wage workers for good service, but most of the time it just feels like a tax.
     
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  10. danmanne65

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    I just helped my son purchase a new motorcycle. I treated it like a car purchase and everyone there laughed at me. They kept telling me they weren’t a car dealer.
     
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  11. citygator

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    Did you get the undercoat? :D
     
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  12. mrhansduck

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    I am one of the lazy people who orders food, but I've cut back. It's gotten really expensive compared to when I started doing it, and I'm also trying to eat better. I always tip what is suggested or little higher. One of my aunts turned 80 a year or two ago and sent a bunch of us $80 cash to give away as we wanted. I wound up giving mine to a delivery driver because I think it's largely a thankless job and one I definitely wouldn't want to do. The young woman was also hot, and I got a friendly hug out of it. Felt slightly creepy afterward but I had already decided to give her the money. No quid pro quo, I can assure you that.
     
  13. OklahomaGator

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    That sounds like my house, I'll go get in the car and go get it rather than get it delivered. (except for pizza for some reason).
     
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  14. dangolegators

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    Yeah the easy solution is don't use door dash or uber eats. If you're that hungry and don't want to get in the car, slap something together at home. If you have a can of beans and some rice, you're good.
     
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    Well he got the Honda 500. It’s got a name but I don’t remember it. lol. I was just happy I didn’t have to co-sign.
     
  16. dangolegators

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    Was in the UK recently and it was a joy settling up after a dinner. They bring a little credit card reader out to you, you tap it, and you're done. No expectation of a tip because they pay their servers more than $5 an hour. And they have national health care, which makes a huge difference for service industry people. Just about everything is better there. Hardly saw any homeless people because they have a much better social safety net. If I were younger, I'd figure out how to move there (Scotland in particular). It's a much better country than the US.
     
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  17. GatorRade

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    Im surprised about the lack of homeless over there. According to the records kept by the nations, the homeless rate in the UK is about 3x that of the US.

    List of sovereign states by homeless population - Wikipedia
     
  18. antny1

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    People are too lazy to park their cars and walk into a fast food place instead choosing to wait in a line that backs up into a roadway causing traffic problems.

    Some places as mentioned have made it more difficult to not tip with the way bills are set up. You have to actively request to not tip now.

    Dominic's deli at Tanger outlet in Daytona keeps the credit card tips and employees do not receive them. My friends daughter works there. She said the owner justifies it because he doesn't make them pay for their uniforms. Is this even legal?

    I'm "frugal" by most of my coworkers standards who regularly door dash. No way I'm paying to have restaurant food delivered.
     
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  19. dangolegators

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    Well I don't know where they keep them, but saw very few in London and Edinburgh, or anywhere else.
     
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  20. GatorRade

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    We keep thinking in terms of lazy, but I wonder if this isn’t largely about feeling busy due to increased choices and preferences. 50 years ago, people just waited in line for stuff. Go to the DMV, wait for 45 minutes. No big deal. Another meeting upstairs? Walk up there, chit chat for 15 minutes, and then let everyone have their say. Today, it feels like none of that is acceptable. We have too much to do. Do your DMV business online, or if you absolutely have to make an appointment at the DMV. And at work, it’s often, why are we meeting about this? Can’t you just send an email? Basically every meeting I attend now is online with at least one person actually driving while attending. It’s crazy.

    I wonder if some people think driving to the store to buy ingredients, bringing them home, and preparing them into a meal all just takes too much time?