Christian Nationalism

The main problem is Christians tend to think forcing their beliefs on other people or endlessly proselytizing to people who don't want to hear it is "love" and doing them a favor.

 

Cool...how many seats have your candidates of choice won?

 

When maybe 25% of the population votes, and Republicans gain seats with fewer total votes due to our anti-majoritarian system you will be the delusional one thinking it represents "most" Americans on what they think about anything.

 

So how does one force their beliefs on you?

 

Using state power

 

A bunch. May come as a shock to you, but your candidate of choice can win without your vote. Just cuz I have a slight preference for vomit over shit, doesn't mean I'd encourage them by wasting my vote on them. psst. Your vote has NEVER mattered. It has NEVER decided an election.
As far as candidates of choice that I actually voted for winning, 1. When I lived in TX a libertarian ran for something like commissioner of weights & measures or some such with the promise that they'd dissolve the position if they won & they did!

 

???

 

Most have zero self awareness or knowledge about what they follow either.

 

Let’s see over 160 million voted in last election and that’s 25%? Must be that new math you are using.

 

Let me ask this. For all you who think Christians are preaching their views and shoving them down your throat. First, how many times has that happen to you personally? And second, does Tim Tebow and his faith disgusts you as much as other Christians?

 

Less people vote in the midterm than the general, and I bet turnout is probably more like 2014 than 2018. But either way that's under 50% of eligible voters. And that's eligible voters, of which not everyone of voting age is included in, and that number gets even smaller when you factor in people under 18.

 

Bet the turnout will be higher than normal. BTW I knew you were talking about midterms. Just being snarky.

 

Well 'normal' recently is like sub 40%, and 2018 was the highest since WWI and it was only 49%. It would bet on it being less, simply because a lot of people will stay home rather than vote, and they definitely haven't made voting easier. Any way you want to argue it, the case that a midterm where less than half the eligible voters turn out, and maybe half of them vote a certain way in gerimandered districts or a non-proportional Senate represents how most Americans feel is 100% delusional. That the people who are fond of saying "we arent a democracy" fall back on our elections representing some kind of 'majority will' will never not be ironic.

 

Goal Post officially moved

 

You're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm beginning to think you can't. Nonetheless, I'll say this, hoping you can comprehend my point. In November, there will be fair elections, and democrats will accept the results. If republicans gain control of the House, it won't be the end of our democracy. It may well have been had Trump succeeded on January 6, 2021.

 

You STILL don't get it. Your guy is a traitor. He wants to become America's first dictator so he can be President-for-Life, like his pals Putin, Xi and Kim. Nothing else matters at this point.

Fascism in America is OK . . . . as long as your guy is der leader.

 

Goodness! These are things a true follower of Jesus would never dare say! (Now, don't go quoting scripture. It's irrelevant unless Jesus said such things, or approved of them.) While not all liberals are concerned with the least among us, we try to be, and the Democratic Part is certainly more concerned than, say, Trump or the Republican Party as a whole with the common man.... Christ's audience.

Your derogatory reference to "woke" speaks volumes about your heart. Yes, it can be carried to extremes, but the very essence of being woke is to be concerned for and respectful of our fellow man in all our variety. You seem to have shrunk your world, and heart, to that of a religious Grinch.

 

Man there are some dense people in this forum. No matter how many times you state your views they ignore them. I didn’t vote for Trump in the primaries and he did a lot of things I didn’t agree with but he was damn sure better than the idiot/senile excuse for a President. I’m tired to trying to get that through to some of you so I’ll stop trying.

 

I'm not disgusted by faith so maybe your questions don't apply to me, but I will try to respond since I'm an agnostic who supports a healthy separation of church and state - whether we're talking about Christianity, Judaism, atheism or some other religious position people may want the government to promote. I'm not sure how often I'm impacted directly by the faith of others. Of course, I could ask the other side how often they've been personally impacted by drag shows, for example. I bet not directly, but we all care about what kind of society we're living in. I could also point out criticisms I have of Mormon doctrine despite the fact that the Mormons I've known have been very nice people. If they wanted to ban non Mormons from buying beer or coffee, then I would speak out against that, and I'm sure even many Baptists would, too.

As to the current impacts on me personally, I'm not gay but have friends who are, and I think most of the opposition to their rights has been based in religion. When contraption was banned or heavily regulated in some places, that impacted a lot of people and most harshly women. Christian prayers in public schools today wouldn't directly affect me because I'm no longer in school and don't have kids in school. But I don't want to fund that anymore than I want to pay for religious monuments to be put up or maintained on public property. To the extent to which people may want their state and local governments to promote or endorse their religious viewpoints, such efforts have been fairly constrained by the courts during my lifetime. If that wall is demolished, I could see some local and state governments going in what I see as the wrong direction in many areas.