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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by OklahomaGator, Feb 2, 2023.

  1. chemgator

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    You didn't know that the "D" in NORAD stands for the District of Canada? Hello? North Operating Radar And District (of Canada)? The original name was NORADOC, but that sounded ridiculous (and Medicare and the Institute of Health protested about the additional competition from the "DOC"), so it was shortened. Let's try to veritas our carpe before we bring it on here, for crying out loud!
     
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    For those keep screaming about NORAD. My questions still stand. Why didn't Canada identify this balloon at the beginning? Why did Americans shoot it down versus Canada?
    North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD)
    The defence and security of Canada’s North is key to the defence of North America. The North is a critical region for NORAD.

    NORAD maintains the North Warning System. This is a series of 11 long-range and 36 short-range radars. They lie along the entire Arctic coast of North America and are tied in with other NORAD radars. In total, the system forms a radar coverage zone 4800 kilometres long and 320 kilometres wide. It stretches from Alaska across Canada to Greenland. This allows NORAD to detect anything approaching from the air. This includes anything coming from the North.
    Canadian NORAD Region
    Headquartered at 1 Canadian Air Division in Winnipeg, Manitoba, CANR executes a variety of tasks to defend Canadian airspace, including identifying and tracking all aircraft entering Canadian airspace, exercising operational command and control of all air defence forces in CANR and operations in support of other government departments and agencies.


    CANR is one of three North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD) regions. The other two subordinate regional headquarters are located at Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska and Tyndall Air Force Base, Florida. NORAD is the bi-national Canada- U.S. command that continuously provides worldwide detection, validation and warning of a ballistic missile attack on North America and maintains continental detection, validation, warning and aerospace control of air-breathing threats to North America, to include peacetime alert levels and appropriate aerospace defense measures to respond to hostile actions against North America.
     
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  3. ursidman

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    Interesting thread about the years-long use of balloons and drones by our adversaries in unfriendly ways. While our defensive capabilities are tuned towards fast and aggressive airships the small and slow is sometimes disregarded.

     
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  4. G8trGr8t

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    Could an emp be floated in and set off this way?
     
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  6. tampagtr

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    Thanks. I have a lot of catch up reading to do. I need to understand this as best as possible from open source
     
  7. demosthenes

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    If flew over Alaska long before it ever reached Canada…
     
  8. tampagtr

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    Great read. I am now following Rogoway. Can’t believe he escaped me before. Thanks
     
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  10. okeechobee

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    Is this the alien invasion thread? We might need to rename this bad boy. What the hell is going on?

    I feel like Rick even suggesting this but it this all a red herring to distract us from something?
     
  12. chemgator

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    Chicago
  14. demosthenes

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    Your article explains it. They have long filtered radar data to larger faster moving objects seeing those as threats. It appears the first ballon woke them to a vulnerability the Chinese have been exploiting utilizing smaller slow moving objects to stay “under the radar.”
     
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  16. okeechobee

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    Yes, I had already seen that explanation given, it’s just mind-boggling that NORAD is only now catching on to it. Apparently, this has been going on for years. Someone, somewhere had to say at some point “hey we ought to look for slower moving objects as well.” Colossal breakdown in intelligence if this is truly the reason. My intuition tells me such a breakdown is not possible and they now have reason to be concerned, because of new intelligence on the matter. Hence, the switch in approach.
     
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  17. tampagtr

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    Meanwhile in Denmark, fighters are scrambling

     
  18. oragator1

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    North Korea is probably sending a hundred of these things at a few hundred dollars a piece just for fun,
     
  19. ursidman

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    Way way back when we had to fly to monitor radio-collared animals we had to coordinate our flights with Homestead AFB. One day when I had been told the range was cold while putting along in the Cessna 172 a jet went zipping past underneath us. Uncomfortably close. Very uncomfortably close. After the flight, I called the liaison who looked into it and reported back that the pilot did not see us. Said we were too slow to see.
    It can happen.
     
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  20. chemgator

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    No surprise who else has been on the receiving end of Chinese spy balloons: Taiwan.

    New Hotspot Revealed for China’s Army of Spy Balloons

    Chinese balloons have also been spotted over the Middle East.