Catholic Civil War Brewing?

And why wouldn’t they ? Why wouldn’t any right-thinking person ? Never mind Catholicism, the Bible never emphasizes sociological freedom, not first and foremost.

 

Just my opinion and I'm not a Roman Catholic so it's from the outside looking in. My guess is that they thought the Church began going downhill under the Papacy of John XXXIII when he did away with the traditional Latin Mass among many other changes.

 

The common view of all Catholic reactionaries is that Vatican II was a travesty

 

Interesting points. Reminds me of a friend whose family had a split in their church over whether clapping was permissible during music.

 

It’s a human tendency.

 

It's easy to see what the problem with the Pope is. How do you say "woke" in Latin?

DeSantis is a Catholic, isn't he? There must be something he can do about this. He took on Mickey Mouse, surely he can take on the Pope.

 

I am agnostic, wasn't raised Catholic but did go to mass as a kid on occasion with my mom or grandmother. In my experience with Catholic friends and family, they've always seemed more open to something like the theory of evolution compared to protestants. I respect that intellectual side of the Church and think Pope Francis has been a force for good in the world. I feel like we're really going to miss him.

 

I was raised in the Catholic faith and was an alter boy. I NEVER bought into the scripture being taught as it was just too absurd for me. I also learned by about 10 years old that many of the parishioners were religious but not virtuous (my parents were both). Lastly, beyond the liberal vs conservative argument, how can we support an institution that for centuries has enabled the rape of children by priests and treats women as inferior to men.

 

I don't know who 'we' is but I think for most of human history, including the present, people are perfectly comfortable with those things to some degree. The 'strong' dominating the weak is something reactionaries think is perfectly natural, just gotta cover up the excesses.

 

No aggiornamento

 

People are comfortable with the rape of children?

 

I think people have a selective idea of what this means. Just ask certain people about age of consent laws, a hot teacher banging her underage male student, or what age is acceptable for marriage, for example. Whatever the case, the rationalizations are strikingly similar, i.e. that some children in fact "want it." I doubt hardly anyone is comfortable with their 10 year old being sexually abused.

 

I'm not seeing a 'civil war'. More like the Pope, asserting his authority. He's not relenting to American conservatives, anymore than he relented to American liberals about abortion, divorce, homosexual marriage, etc. The Church has always been open to migrants everywhere; there's zero reason for the Church to ever side with legal restrictions vis a vis migration; that's a state (Cesar) thing. LGBTQRS... remains a "love the sinner, hate the sin" thing. Ditto divorcees (the sin = adultery, for relations outside the bounds of marriage, since "..what God has joined, let no man tear asunder"; hence the Church does not recognize divorce). I suppose he's made overtures in some itchy directions, but for the most part, he's held the line.

For my part, I do not mind at all that the Pope's politics clash with mine. "Render onto Cesar what is Cesar's...". I look to the Church for guidance in my Faith. I figure my politics on my own, and use substantially different metrics to do so. Kinda like mom and dad didn't always see eye to eye on things, and when they didn't, I expected mom views from mom (i.e.-sweeter, more compassionate), and dad positions (more pragmatic, utilitarian, harsher/colder) from dad.

C'est la vie.

jmho/fwiw.

 

If tribalism that mutates into genocide whenever one tribe gets too powerful counts as evolution, I suppose so.

 

The entire purpose of existence is to survive and procreate. Everything else is just trappings. From it violence has necessarily arisen. What I meant by evolution is that perhaps violence to survive will not always be inevitable. I'm not optimistic when it comes to Homo sapiens.
NOTE: I was suddenly reminded of this quintessential Mark Twain observation:
"Of all the animals man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it."

 

I'm not sure. Most religious people I personally have known have been exceedingly good people doing good works. Not a one of them felt the need to advertise their beliefs or to convert others. The evangelical "Christians" are not Christians. They are a political movement which uses Christianity to give it legitimacy. It's a farce, and the Jesus I know from the Bible would be appalled.

 

Say what you will about religion but it was once a system of beliefs which enabled the sort of universal reality we long for now. Unfortunately Nietzche was right about the ‘death of God’ … we aren’t going back to a universal myth that unites western civ.

 

Pope Francis with another announcement that's going to anger his enemies although I completely support it

 

this isn't about a brewery?