Catholic Civil War Brewing?

I'm not Catholic but Methodist so I will make no comment specific to the Catholic church. But everything in America has become highly politicized and organized religion is no exception. It makes me view organized religion as organized "religion".

Used to be that church was the place one could go for spiritual growth. I question that nowadays.

 

Is the Methodist church going though something similar? I'm not a church goer but my wife's family is devout. I'm pretty sure their church just voted to leave the national methodist council because it was getting too "progressive with allowing LGBT stuff and the like.

 

I read this earlier and Christopher Lamb is a reliable source and reporter. This has not popped up suddenly but has been brewing for years. I posted a link in the other Catholic thread.

I'm just so tired of these people. They're not very popular but they are backed by very wealthy people and they are just as immoral and unprincipled in their desire for power and to oppress as non-Catholic conservatives.

Just tired of them, most of all.

 

Yes they are. They too are battling over moderate and conservative viewpoints.

 

If we get a new Antipope, I'm for it. Bring back the Avignon papacy. More seriously though, the Pope should start excommunicating these American Catholics who are basically just protestants at this point. You've got the tools, use them.

 

In the United Methodist Church it's definitely a difference in outlook of inclusivity and exclusivity and how to interpret the scriptures that refer to same sex relations and their context.

 

This disagreement and division around religious babble has been going on since long before Christianity. This is why there’s approximately 50,000 religious denominations just of the “Christian” religion alone. Each one breaking off because of these sort of interpretative disagreements. The end game is probably like the sovereign citizen movement. Where the final form of the religion is the Christian Sovereign. Christianity can be whatever you say it is. A denomination of 1.

 

Francis with another sign of the simple humility of his papacy. He doesn’t want a papal burial in the grottoes of the Vatican but in a Basilica in Rome that would normally be considered unworthy of a Pope.

Early in his papacy, I said that his successors could never return to the extravagant monarchical style of Popes. He did so much to demonstrate a simpler life, dining with others, living in an apartment that was part of a complex. I thought his example would shame future Popes even if they were inclined to live a life so different that the earthly Incarnation of the Divine they were supposed to serve as the Vicar of on earth. Now I am not so sure. Dark ages feel ahead. We need to find the light, however small.



The pope says he wants to be buried in a basilica in Rome, not in the Vatican
The pope says he wants to be buried in a basilica in Rome, not in the Vatican - Tampa Bay Times

 

My wife and I cut off the Methodist church we attended for years. WAY too much identity politics FAR too little actual Bible teaching.

 

Religion is just another form of power over the masses. Sometimes it’s benign, sometimes oppressive. At this point in the evolution of Homo sapiens, it is probably necessary.

 

Burke gonna have to convert to Southern Baptism

 

He is already there in worldview, although it would be unfair to claim that Dominionism is a Baptist thing. The American exceptionalism theocratic version is strongly linked, but the RCC was the original on an international basis

 

Our time stands as proof that you don’t need religion to control the masses.

 

It could be that everyone is wrong. On the other hand, widespread disagreement is not proof of invalidity.

 

Christianity is what matters. All the other stuff different denominations add in is fluff and ripe for discord.

 

BTW, this is heating up now because of Francis’ health. The Conservatives have “pre-Conclaved” and have three papabilli they are ready to push. Of course, the late Cardinal Pell said Francis had 6 months 2 years ago. God had other plans.

 

The Catholic reactionaries definitely long for a based pope that is way more conservative than Ratzinger or JPII

 

Or maybe just more Catholic.

And I’m not a Catholic.

 

I dont think Opus Dei gets to define Catholicism, though I'm sure they would love that. Obviously rich & powerful people have issues with liberation theology and Jesuit style humanism, and humanism in general. Those are the type of people that see religion as purely a means of social control, not salvation or mercy.