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Cancer is rising in Central Florida’s young adults, doctors warn

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8tas, Oct 30, 2023.

  1. mutz87

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    HPV is a widespread virus, likely infecting over 80% of men and women in their lifetime, with about half of those infections being types of HPV that are high risk for causing cancer (in particular p16 & p18). And since one needs to be vaccinated before being infected and because older teens and adults are much more likely to be sexually active, the rationale is to get young teens vaccinated before sexual activity begins. That people might think it encourages sexual activity is irrational, imo.

    As far as the increased vax in youths*increased incidences in cancer in central FL. Call it a likely spurious correlation. The increase in cancer wouldn't be from the vaccine, but a third variable--the virus spreading more among teens.
     
  2. duggers_dad

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    At the same time, I cannot ignore your conflating viruses and “environmental causes.”

    Now, if my the latter you mean toxins, yes, we breathe in far more of them than we ingest through foods.

    There is a theory that my baby sister contracted leukemia via exposure to benzene.

    But “environmental causes” is an BS argument for viruses, which was tendered as a specific argument for increase in cancers among the young.
     
  3. danmanne65

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    There is a vaccine for that. I remember about 20 years ago it was being offered for my sons it was optional because boys don’t have cervixes. I was so this might stop a partner of theirs from getting cancer. Sign me up.
     
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  4. danmanne65

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    Man I think your whole posting history has to be parody.
     
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  5. mutz87

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    I'm guessing that you're explaining this to dreamliner and I'd bet the ranch that he's already denied that viruses even exist and probably making some unwitty remark or two. It's a sad combo of arrogance meeting ignorance.

    I'm truly sorry that you've had to experience all of this, lacuna. Your struggles demonstrate a reality that many just don't understand, until they find themselves facing this beast.
     
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  6. VAg8r1

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    It was the religious right much more so than the left that was against Rick Perry's mandate.
    Parents have criticised the governor's decision, and some state legislators have called for it to be amended. They said that providing the vaccine was giving tacit approval to premarital sex, when Texas endorses a programme of abstinence until marriage in school sex education courses.

    Focus on the Family (www.family.org), a conservative group, issued a position statement saying, “Focus on the Family supports widespread (universal) availability of HPV vaccines but opposes mandatory HPV vaccinations for entry to public school. The decision to vaccinate a minor against this or other sexually transmitted infections should remain with the child's parents or guardians.”
    Texas governor is criticised for decision to vaccinate all girls against HPV
     
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  7. duggers_dad

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    The media and Democrats were howling about it. The media referred to him as ‘Gardasil Rick.’
     
  8. Gator515151

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    I used to work with a guy who was raised in the Pine Hills area of Orlando. He had a brain tumor and claimed that most all the kids he grew up with in his neighborhood had died of one form or another of cancer.....don't know how true it is but that was his story.
     
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  9. swampbabe

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    So sorry I hear of your VERY disappointing experience. I had a complete hysterectomy when I was 39 years old because of a suspicion that I might have endometrial or ovarian cancer. From the time of my consultation with the oncologist my surgery was performed within 10 days.
     
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  10. rivergator

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    So, a story is posted about the conservative protest against Perry's mandate ... conservative groups like Focus on the Family, in the state legislature 31 Republicans and 1 Democrat sign a letter to oppose it and your answer is ... no, it was really the left.
     
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  11. duggers_dad

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    I keep forgetting to give kudos to anyone who opposes vaccines. But the left opposes vaccines the right proposes.
     
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  12. citygator

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    Cancer going up and smoking is at historic lows. We need to get more people smoking. The reduction of smokers is killing us. (Covid based logic).
     
  13. Gator515151

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    Funny tomorrow morning I see a thoracic surgeon. A couple of months ago when I was in the hospital with COVID & congestive heart failure one of the scans they did showed some spots on my lungs so at my follow up with my primary he suggested I have a CT scan done. The scan from Simon Med showed a few small cysts on my lungs (likely benign) but Doc suggested I see a thoracic surgeon just in case. I'm pretty sure I will be read the riot act again about smoking.
     
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  14. duggers_dad

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    Smoking goes down and cancer goes up. So it must be people getting fat from cessation of smoking.
     
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    Thank you. I can imagine the fear and doubt that comes with a diagnosis of that sort. Long uncertain delays bring their own set. It reminds me of an old, old quote from the pen of 14th century anchoress, Julian of Norwich ~ “All shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well.”
     
  16. lacuna

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    Mike, pack your cigarettes and your badass attitude act away and start taking better care of yourself. At times the world looks bad but we all have reasons for a positive attitude, not giving up, hoping, expecting what may at times appear dismal, can and will improve.

    Sending positive thoughts your way, Cuz o_O
    Judy
     
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  17. l_boy

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    I thought the hpv vaccines had reduced these ?
     
  18. mutz87

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    To be honest, I haven't looked into vaccinations for hpv, so this is just speculation.

    Assuming that the vaccine is effective, it's still possible for hpv cancer rates to rise if there are low vaccination rates. Plus, the rate for hpv related teen cancers is a very small absolute number as a proportion of all teens, even if it is increasing in it's share of teen cancers and even if it's increasing the teen cancer rates.
     
  19. l_boy

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    Where did you see HPV cancer are rising? I thought I had read that due to teenage HPV vaccines HPV rates and resultant cancers were decreasing.
     
  20. mutz87

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    I should have been more careful with that comment and not written teen cancers, per se. For cervical cancer, the rates have decreased due to the massive push to get girls vaccinated, and far fewer women are getting cervical cancer. But the focus on vaccinating males was expanded in the past 5 to 10 years because hpv throat cancers have been on the rise in young men and in particular older men in the 50s - 60s. Truth is I haven't been reading up as much on hpv vaccinations, just the cancer.