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Can we all agree on this, or no?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gatorchamps960608, Aug 20, 2023.

  1. gatorchamps960608

    gatorchamps960608 GC Hall of Fame

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    Please try to take your feelings toward any particular politician out of pondering this:

    Isn't it crazy that you can't vote for president if you have committed serious crimes but you can run for and become president if you have been convicted of serious crimes?
     
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  2. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

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    In before mods close all these ridiculous non-topic threads.
    Someone needs to shut this guy down.
    Not even a link…
     
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  3. duggers_dad

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    We only agree on the part where we’ve become like every other banana republic that legally prosecutes political opponents.
     
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  4. VAg8r1

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    Hope this helps although the fact that convicted felons are prohibited from voting in most states is common knowledge as is the fact there is no constitutional provision prohibiting a candidate who has been convicted of a felony from running for the presidency. There is a prohibition in the 14th Amendment prohibiting a person who participated in a insurrection after previously swearing allegiance to the US from holding elective federal office although that will most likely never be applied to Trump (I might add that it should apply to the defeated former president).
    State Voting Laws & Policies for People with Felony Convictions - Felon Voting - ProCon.org
    What Happens if a Presidential Candidate Is Convicted?
    This link directly addresses the issue.
    Felons can run for president even if they can’t vote
     
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  5. gatorchamps960608

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    The founding fathers never imagined one would run let alone be nominated by a party or have anyone vote for him.
     
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  6. rtgator

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    Unlike today's GQP, the founding fathers had scruples. Can you imagine them electing someone who bragged about grabbing women by the p****?
     
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  7. VAg8r1

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    The corollary being that a politician who flagrantly violated the law should be immune from prosecution, especially if the politician previously held the highest office in the country and his most likely opponent currently holds that office. A better example of a banana republican is country in which a defeated candidate attempts to illegally remain in a office by attempting a coup d'état, also referred to as a self coup or autogolpe.
     
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  8. Gator515151

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    Convicted felon running for President? Who are we talking about?
     
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  9. gatorchamps960608

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    Read the first post. No one specific.
     
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  10. GatorRade

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    I don’t really mind allowing whomever to run for office. If the people think a person is qualified, I don’t see why some authority should be able to overrule them based on their view of the candidate’s past. If there is a contradiction here that needs fixing, it is the part where past felons are barred from voting. Again, I don’t see why some should be able to bar others from determination of their own governance due how the former view the past of the latter. At that point, why not force people to take an IQ test or earn a particular degree before they can vote?
     
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  11. Gator515151

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    Read the 2nd post I think Bluke was right on, obviously at least 2 of us don't know what you are talking about. While we are at it, why do I have to wear a seat belt when you don't have to wear a helmet to ride a motor cycle?
     
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  12. GatorJMDZ

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    You don't wear a seat belt, remember? But I actually agree with you on this point. The quick answer is, of course, the law, but the law is very inconsistent on this point. People in cars should wear seat belts, people on motorcycles helmets.
     
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  13. duggers_dad

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    We can’t agree that if you’re not going to jail past presidents for war crimes, then you can’t jail Trump for essentially saying the same thing that Hillary said in 2016.
     
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  14. UFLawyer

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    I would agree with this if we could also agree that if a prez or vice prez is caught enriching his family by selling influence that every member of the family involved is imprisoned for life at Guantanamo.
     
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    Got his ass LOL
     
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    Hypothetically, the defeated former president and leading candidate for the 2024 Republican nomination. Although he has yet to be tried and convicted it's only a matter of time. While it should be obvious he's trying to run out the clock through delaying tactics so that his status as a convicted felon doesn't become an issue prior to the election.
     
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    are you the same guy that claimed the laptop was a hoax? Asking for a friend.
     
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  18. murphree_hall

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    How do you rate the original post as off-topic? Asking for a friend.

    Also, stop biting my asking for a friend line.
     
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  19. Orange_and_Bluke

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    There are people who live in the “off topic” zone.
     
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  20. tampagtr

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    As a political science matter, unrelated to individuals, I don't have a problem that been indicted is not disqualify one running. The Constitution is structured to impose qualifications all elected officials, largely leaving it up to the voters to decide.

    I do have a problem with felons or anyone else being categorically disqualified from being able to vote. There is just no moral justification for anyone being excluded. Everyone is subject to law and everyone should have a voice in selecting lawmakers and other public officials
     
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