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Can Anyone Explain Why, After 249 Years, We "Need" Greenland

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ncargat1, Mar 28, 2025 at 9:22 PM.

  1. gatorpa

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    Renaming the Gulf is pure asshattery.
    Having some control over how the canal operates has immense strategic value, China was making moves to do just that.
    None of this should be done militarily.

    As far as tariffs he did put in a bunch first term, oddly enough Biden chastised him for it but never took them off. Either he forgot to or didn’t think they were bad after all.

    We have been getting ripped off. I read we charge the EU 2.5% tariffs on cars. While they charge us 10% plus VAT taxes. Great friends of ours.
     
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  2. mdgator05

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    What does the EU charge for trucks vs. the US?
     
  3. WarDamnGator

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    They don’t “charge us” anything. If that is true, then US consumers buy Euro cars with a 2.5% US tax on them and EU consumers by American cars with a 10% European tax on them plus they pay their own VAT tax. So which consumer is getting “ripped off”, again?
     
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  4. gator_jo

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    Her $50,000 watch doesn't have much to do with her wasting tax payer funds to pose in front of deported illegal immigrants, does it?
     
  5. gator_jo

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    If you're repeating garbage lies from DOGE, Trump's spokesperson, or, well, any other prominent Republican these days ...... then you're the one not using your brain.

    But here, this info should help you learn a little bit more about it;


    What we know about claims USAID funded 'Sesame Street' TV show in Iraq


    The archived USAID webpage said the agency would provide $20 million in funding to Sesame Workshop, the nonprofit behind "Sesame Street," between July 2021 and June 2027 to produce Ahlan Simsim Iraq, the early childhood development program.

    However, the claim appears to conflate a kids' TV show featuring "Sesame Street" characters and broadcast in Arabic across numerous countries, including Iraq, with a USAID-funded educational project called Ahlan Simsim Iraq.


    In other words ..... the same production company that did a version of the TV show was also contracted to do an entire educational project that spanned six years. Wow, imagine that - there possibly being limited numbers of production companies in Iraq and having to work with one that had also produced ..... Sesame Street. #SHOCKING!

    You should feel embarrassed for repeating this Trumpy/DOGE nonsense.
     
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  6. okeechobee

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    Obviously, Greenland has strategic value and if this follows every other lame media narrative, Greenland will turn out more consequential to our national security than even Trump realizes it is.
     
  7. DawgFanFromAlabam

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    Will admit not keeping up with Greenland. Did it just acquire this “strategic value” after Trump’s first term? Our adversaries just now showing interest (haven’t read anything about them trying to move on Greenland)? Why now?
     
  8. gator_jo

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    "Hey, watch me smile and look purty while I tell outright lies! Think anyone will know better? If they do, think they'll care?!" :)


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  9. VAg8r1

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    You are aware that the $20 million for Sesame Street in Iraq is pure b*ll sh*t?
    What we know about claims USAID funded 'Sesame Street' TV show in Iraq
    The archived USAID webpage said the agency would provide $20 million in funding to Sesame Workshop, the nonprofit behind "Sesame Street," between July 2021 and June 2027 to produce Ahlan Simsim Iraq, the early childhood development program. A Sesame Workshop spokesperson said via email that the "Ahlan Simsim" TV show is funded separately from the Ahlan Simsim Iraq early childhood development program. They added that only the latter received USAID money.

    However, usaspending.gov, an open data source of federal spending information, only lists $18.2 million in obligated funding for Sesame Workshop during this period — one $13 million grant starting in July 2021 and one $5.2 million grant starting in September 2021. According to usaspending.gov, only $473,784 of the two grants had been "outlayed," or paid out to the Sesame Workshop, at the time of this writing, meaning the rest of the funding was yet to be paid.

    A Sesame Workshop spokesperson said that the "Ahlan Simsim" TV show was funded "through separate philanthropic funding," not USAID grants to Ahlan Simsim Iraq. The spokesperson further explained:The USAID-funded "Ahlan Simsim Iraq" program supports the creation of local content and materials, which include localized media content to reach children at scale and teaching and learning materials like storybooks, activity books, classroom materials, and training and facilitators guides for teachers for use in early childhood development
    centers to improve children's learning by training teachers, parents, caregivers, and youth leaders.

     
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  10. gator_jo

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    Trumpy/DOGEy lies are real now. You've just got to want to believe.



    I mean ..... would that bleach blond Trumpy liar be lying to us if it wasn't true?
     
  11. okeechobee

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    What is the strategic value of Greenland?

    Greenland’s strategic value primarily hinges on geography, natural resources, and military positioning. Here’s why Greenland matters strategically:


    1. Geopolitical and Military Importance:

    • Location: Positioned between North America, Europe, and Russia, Greenland is critical for missile defense, surveillance, and early-warning radar systems, making it vital for NATO defense strategy.

    • Thule Air Base: Operated by the United States in northwest Greenland, it serves as a key early-warning missile detection site and a hub for monitoring polar routes.


    2. Arctic Dominance and Resource Access:

    • Natural Resources: Rich in rare-earth minerals, uranium, iron ore, oil, natural gas, and fisheries. Melting ice makes resource extraction increasingly viable.

    • New Shipping Routes: Melting Arctic ice is opening shorter, lucrative sea routes (like the Northern Sea Route), enhancing Greenland’s strategic economic significance.


    3. Climate Change and Scientific Research:

    • Serves as a critical location for climate science research, providing valuable insights into global warming impacts, weather patterns, and environmental security.


    4. Diplomatic Leverage:

    • Control over Greenland enhances diplomatic and strategic leverage over Arctic governance, especially against Russian and Chinese interests in the region.


    In short, Greenland offers strategic military positioning, economic potential through resource exploitation, new global shipping routes, and significant geopolitical influence, making it increasingly coveted on the global stage.
     
  12. DawgFanFromAlabam

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    Thx but I didn’t ask what Greenland’s strategic value is but when did it “acquire it.” All the things you listed were true during Trump’s first term - why no big push (including threatening military invasion) then?

    My supposition is it wasn’t politically useful. Could have damaged his chances of reelection. Now? Unless something changes he’s a lame duck and feels emboldened to pursue any crazy notion in his head. So his agenda has been politically motivated (reelection) and not what’s right for America.
     
  13. G8trGr8t

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    Do you care if she is breaking the Geneva convention by filming her propaganda piece? Using a war powers act to imprison them makes them war prisoners. No videos of war prisoners allowed
     
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  14. G8trGr8t

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    Could you name 20 other countries with strategic and resource value? Should we take all them too?
    If someone tells you no but you are unwilling to accept no, what other means besides force is there?
     
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    The Hong Kong company that owns those ports has ports around the globe. The fallacy that China was trying to control the canal has about as much truth to it as Trump won the 20 election. It is fiction to support a position and you accept and propagate the lie. Why would anyone believe anything they say without proof when they repeatedly lie to you about pretty much everything.

    Outside of a cult, people generally wise up and start asking questions after being repeatedly lied to. Not MAGA, nope, not a cult willing to swallow whatever swill they are given...how does one come to put such trust in someone who repeatedly lies to them? Sad
     
  16. vaxcardinal

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    Are you looking for countries with strategic value if countries whose strategic value is equal to Greenland? There’s a difference
     
  17. G8trGr8t

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    It's all subjective. Canada has much more strategic value. So does Taiwan. So does Ukraine. Turkey? Norway? They have that Arctic frontage and lots of oil and a dividend fund we can take. Resources? We could take a few opec countries and South Africa. Fund our permanent fund with diamonds and oil.. Suez Canal has much more strategic value than Iceland? Should I keep going?
     
  18. gatorpa

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    Nah my point still stands.

    I don’t believe spending 20 million over 1 year or 6 years will do anything to foster good will to the US in the middle east.
    And I didn’t report a lie, the plan was to spend 20 million for a sesame street version which includes other educational programs. I didn’t suggest it was over one year. Just that it was being spent which you have verified. TY.
     
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  19. gatorpa

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    Sorry you think it’s good for China to build and own ports all over the world including ones in the canal zone?

    I guess the long game idea escapes you?
     
  20. gatorpa

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    I don’t think we should “take” any of them, I’ve been very clear on that.