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California to Experience the Dark Side of Solar Power

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chemgator, Jul 16, 2022.

  1. chemgator

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    California started encouraging solar panels about 20 years ago, and now they have a problem: namely, the life expectancy of solar panels back then was about 25-30 years. They now have a huge waste disposal problem, with no plan to solve it.

    California went big on rooftop solar. Now that's a problem for landfills

    In his defense, Darth Moonbeam was out of his mind. There is a little time before the s#!t hits the fan, but not much. A major waste disposal/recycling facility would take several years to build (in that state, the environmental permits can take years to secure).
     
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  3. 14serenoa

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    each city, county and state recycling center would be trained in panel recycling and become integrated within current recycling procedures.
     
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  4. Gatorrick22

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    Did you even read these links? The first article says nothing about the older solar panel recycling.. The second one? I stopped reading it after they mention CRT in how they describe people's "understanding " of solar panel recycling.





    The first article is nothing more than platitudes on recycling... The second one below is nonsense. Talks about the future and what landfills can an do take right now... Blah, blah blah...

    “Solar panels are pretty much the new CRT,” said AJ Orben, vice president of Arizona-based We Recycle Solar, referring to cathode-ray tubes, which contain leaded glass and were used in old, bulky TVs.
     
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  5. chemgator

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    What percentage of U.S. CRT's get recycled in the U.S.? We send our old electronics to places like Bangladesh and Cambodia. Separating glass, plastics, and valuable metals is extremely labor-intensive. The federal government is the only organization that could afford to pay Americans to do recycling of solar panels.

    Obviously, recycling can also be done with a complex mechanical/chemical process (as is mentioned in the article), but it is fairly expensive, creates hazardous wastes, and is a fairly hazardous process to work around. The facility is mostly likely getting government assistance to stay afloat.

    I actually think that the solar panels should be re-used if they have more than 25% of their output capacity remaining in them. Obviously, homeowners are ditching solar panels when the output gets down to 40-60%, because they have limited space for solar panels and want more output (or it is time to replace their roof). But what about large solar farms in the middle of nowhere? Why couldn't they have a section for used solar panels with an output of 20-60%? The panels would be free, saving them money. And the life of the solar panels would be extended another 15 years or so. There would still be a disposal/recycling issue at the end of life, but there would be more time to develop recycling methods, funding and infrastructure. Farmers have plenty of acreage--the ones that do not have wind power might appreciate almost free solar power. Small farming towns could set up a solar farm and make use of these solar panels. When the panels finally do stop working, send them off to be recycled and bring in more re-usable panels. Within a few years, there will be a nearly endless supply.
     
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  6. chemgator

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    Looks like California is going to start experiencing the bright side of solar power. They are going to install solar power systems over the top of their canals to generate electricity while minimizing evaporation of water from the canals.

    This state is using a revolutionary solution to protect itself from droughts — and the results could be staggering

     
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  7. tampagtr

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    Good for California. They will figure out a way to solve/mitigate the waste disposal problem. In the interim, they will have helped to cause the benefits of greater solar power
     
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    I thought the farming examples in Europe (small scale), where they used raised panels over crops to mitigate evaporation was pretty cool. High enough for tractors to get under. Definitely high installation costs.
     
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  9. exiledgator

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    He thought they meant the other CRT. He just saw those letters and everything turned red
     
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  10. Gatorrick22

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    That's it... send our trash to foreign countries becasue they do so well with the plastic garbage we send them every year... :rolleyes:
     
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  11. tampagtr

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    Reminds me of this gem from White Lotus Screenshot_20230803-183358-465.png
     
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    So what would this solar farm of reused solar panels look like? How does it work with differing types and brands of solar panels? Are they just plug and play?

    Interesting there is a similar model for car batteries. Do sinners get rid of them around 60%, then they go to an electricity storage farm to store overnight energy for the rest of their usable lives.
     
  13. chemgator

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    I'm not endorsing the practice. Just recognizing that we live in a throw-away society that does not believe in paying the costs to do something correctly up front. We create a disaster, and then pay ten times as much to clean it up. Lately, we've been sending our trash to other countries because they are so dirt poor that they are willing to put in the effort to make a few pennies for their time. We pretend we are sending a "product" to them.
     
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  14. chemgator

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    I'm not an electrical engineer, so I don't know enough about how they work to comment on the details. But if they still have some life left in them, it makes sense to make some use of them. If they have to be sorted by manufacturer or type before their second life, then so be it. A farmer might get more value from aging solar panels than from crops.
     
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    Regarding the installation of solar panels above canals, the only thing I hope they have considered is the risk of corrosion on the structure holding up the solar panels. I'm sure the last thing they want is for the structure to collapse and heavy metals leach out from the solar panels into the canals. The metallurgy that usually works well in marine service is titanium, which is generally not cheap. It is fairly strong, so I suppose you could make the structure relatively thin compared to what you would do with a steel.
     
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    And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
    And there is no room up on the hill
    And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too...
     
  17. tampagtr

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    Supposedly ocean going liners, big container ships, could profitably install panels to power them. But due to the distorted nature of cargo ship ownership and operation, memorialized in many books, including William L.'s The Outlaws Sea, it won't happen
     
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    Woke solar panels!
     
  19. l_boy

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    How efficient are 20-30 year old solar panels, compared to new ones?
     
  20. RealGatorFan

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    Hehe I was guilty of that too.
     
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