California Fast Food Restaurants have cut 10,000 jobs since $20 Minimum Wage

Just a thought based on your second paragraph.
Do you think “entry level” positions should be paid less than a “living wage” what I mean here is jobs that typically HS teens take. They aren’t usually supporting themselves so there isn’t the idea of a living wage for them.
I get the argument if one is doing the a job then they should be paid the same as others doing that job but since part of the argument for “living wage” is so people can earn enough to fully support themselves it’s more of a “need” based argument.

 

Yeah I’m seen that idea thrown out a few places but never really saw any direct evidence that was the case.
More due to market forces affecting rents. (there are many) as you know.

 

It’s a tough argument to make. Why is one person’s time for the exact same work worth less? I think as a society we’ve moved beyond some of these notions. For instance unpaid internships used to be extremely common, even the norm. They have been disfavored for a while and even illegal in many instances now.

 

When people accidentally answer the question of why so many Republican states are undoing child labor laws. A long time ago working in a factory was an "entry level" job for children and women lol. Even today we find immigrant children working in meat packing plants and doing construction work, jobs that require more than just a warm body. Isn't there an incentive for purchasers of labor to make basically any job that requires labor "entry level?" (A completely made up and meaningless term BTW) If you call it that its cheaper! The younger, cheaper and more disempowered labor is, the easier it is to exploit.

 

Isn’t part of the calculation on what someone gets paid on their experience?

I wouldn’t think someone with 0 years experience doing a job has the same skill set with someone who had been doing the job for say 5 years.
We hire interns all the time that have no experience, they don’t get paid the same as someone who has done the same job for a decade. The people with the experience would be very upset and rightfully so if that was the case.

 

Ya took that a bit far man.

I didn’t suggest we undo child labor laws,

Part of an employee’s value is life experience, a teenager who lives at home certainly doesn’t have the same experience in anything as say a 30 years old mother of 2.

It’s just reality not all employees are equal despite the fairy tale that they are.

 

I didnt say you were, but what makes something an entry level job is just a perception of who does them, its not a meaningful thing. It has no basis in the work itself. If suddenly a bunch of children are working in meat packing plants or coding software, its going to be considered a job for you know, children.

 

Maybe because Ronald the Clown is raising prices to see how much people will pay before they start to bitch and moan so he can maximize his red wig purchases. Has nothing or little to do with how much it actually costs to make a nasty big mac.

 

Fast food doesn't exist to give anyone jobs, including teenagers. Why RWers insist that McDonald's is a jobs program is a mystery to me. And if it was, it is easily history's worst. It provides somewhere between negligible and negative social value, a mediocre at best product, everyone underneath the shareholder level bitch that it provides insufficient financial gain, it is easily replaced and in fact doesn't even require replacement, and to really top it off, when convenient, the same people fighting so hard for this jobs program deride the very people in it, for being in it. They will dig up that <1% success story of someone who worked at McD's for a summer and pretend that it was a springboard to be a useless but now overly-compensated CEO of some other company, unless of course they need to point out that McD's jobs are so meaningless that even teenagers can pull them off.

I myself am ambivalent about the mandated pay structure. If push came to shove I would probably be against it, on stubborn principle. But not for any of these talking points. "Saving" thousands of crap jobs vs. forcing fewer slightly better paid crappy jobs doesn't seem like a good investment of energy. All of the underlying problems still exist, virtually nothing has been resolved. But if some of the others can work out better pay, I am also not upset by that, godspeed. I would do that same thing at my own job if I could.

 

Because those with the money are in the best position to affect government policy.
It's basically fighting human nature. And since corporations are people to they have the same thing. If I can get you to give me more money for something, I'm going to try to get as much as I can. That's why trickle down economics is crap. There's only so many big screen TV's and Ferraris I can buy. If I'm in that position, I'm not trickling down jack shit, I'm keeping it to re-invest and grow my family's wealth. Greed is part of human nature.
Including all the charitable foundations the Bill Gates of the world do. Giving all that money doesn't hurt their standard of living at all, increases their stature among their peers, provides a tax break, and gives them more power in the public realm.

 

Such a small price to pay for risking your life in Mexico.
Perhaps the illegals should have stayed there after all.

 

So a trade group and a conservative think tank are claiming a law that helps workers at the expense of business is bad?
Odd…

 

Well it’s a good thing nobody in the US is suggesting children do such things. I’m sure you can trot out a few examples where it may have happened but it’s not legal and nobody is calling for kids to become meat packers. Unless you include China and India.

Often it does has a basis on the work itself. Running a register, flipping burgers, washing dishes all are low skill jobs. It takes about 3 days to get trained to do it and 90% of the population can do it.

 

And not picking you out pa, because I agree, but this is the part where we call them disposable.

Others, again not you pa, see this as essential.

It is mos def one of those.

Edit: I am referring to the board’s most relentless matriarch.

 

I don’t live in Cali so this doesn’t impact me …. yet. Further, about the only fast food dispensary o patronize is Firehouse Subs ….. probably once a month. If the time ever comes that I must pay a price for a Firehouse sub that is set to cover a $20/hour clerk-sandwich builder…… I’ll no longer be a customer. Paying a non-managerial fast food worker $40-50K per year is simply moronic and another form of unwarranted wealth transfer. If someone needs to make a living wage, then they need to develop the skills that warrant a wage on which one can live.

 

If someone needs to hire a worker to perform labor then the employer should pay the worker a wage that allows that person to live. Expecting the public, parents, etc. to subsidize their labor costs is a wealth transfer. It’s gross to claim someone making $40-50k is overpaid.

 

Oh, and now Republicans in Congress are opposing increasing the salary for overtime exemption. Undoubtedly another unwarranted wealth transfer, am I right?

 

“Wealth transfer” LOL

Nevermind the top ten layers, straight to the people actually supplying the labor that makes the whole enterprise a thing.

Either you’ll pay for the sub because it’s worth it to you, or you won’t. End of analysis.

 

I tell you what .... you start a burger joint and pay your register jockeys and burger flipper $40-50K per year and see how it goes for ya. It's easy to spew forth mindless progressive pablum from a keyboard without EVER having to actually apply that ridiculous concept in the real world.

Derp, derp another progressive gets flushed!!! This board just continues to get cleaner with far more common sense per post!!

 

I don’t have to since the data is there for countries with open information. Denmark the negotiated rate is $22 an hour with six weeks of leave and the same menus prices than the states.