Border Wall

I think you have it backwards. Try reading it again. The solution is the guest worker program but that's untenable because racists don't want more brown people entering the country legally.

 

You really have a simple mind about this, its funny that you think you've made any kind of point with this stuff. If you think having a legal labor force held to the same standard as any other worker is somehow "more" racist than having an easily controlled labor force that can be threatened with deportation at anytime working for less than a legal worker, you have a strange way of thinking. Whatever the case, I know which one is more exploitable by purchasers of labor (whether for racial reasons and/or reasons of profit)!

 

well, on that I would have to agree. When you cut and paste one of his post, and pass it off as your own, everyone knows you don’t have such clarity of thought. Hence..

 

nothing in your post has anything to do with anything I posted.

 

I’d like to see you try it.

 

This is gobbledygook .

 

I am not universally “pro wall” but I think there are probably places it would make sense.

 

Its hard to cut and paste a gif

 

Cop out.

 

A school in Baltimore was building a wall too

 

this is your logic:. You and your family are standing in line at Epcot trying to get on Guardians of the Galaxy. The line is very long. You have better things to do with your day, so you think you have the right to cut in line to get upfront.

You don’t.

Even your companion liberals on this message board would yell at you for trying to do that. All the conservatives are saying, is respect the ropes, and if you cross under those ropes, don’t be surprised if Chuck Norris gives you a roundhouse to the face.

 

To keep the students inside?

 

First you try to compare our border and immigration situation with Normandy circa 1945. Now, you are comparing it with a line for a ride at Epcot? Nuance is completely lost on you.

Our immigration and border issues are neither. The line for which you speak of is way too long, and our ability to let people in line legally woefully inadequate. Again, if we magically deported all undocumented immigrants today and didn't change a single law, it would take over 50 years to replace all of them with legal immigrants.

As for the thought to punish to immigrants already here, I say the law should serve us, and not the other way around. We should not serve a law, especially one when acted upon, causes great harm. And carrying out our current immigration law and deporting millions would do exactly that to all of us. The stagflation it would trigger would cause mass inflation, and mass drop in GDP. It would also hurt many citizens, including citizen children with immigrant parents, and citizen business owners and workers who rely on the impact of immigrant labor on their jobs.

And again, it doesn't have to be this way. Enact a Gang of 8 style law, and families remain intact, and stagflation never happens.

Want to make the Disney line analogy with the border? The line for the ride is 3,000 people long, but the ushers only let in 30 people per show in at a time. But there's a backdoor that is mostly unguarded that i used, allows for a packed house for every show. It's not a wonder why most people figure this out, and instead of waiting in a line that never moves, and never having any hope of getting to see the show, people use the backdoor. The answer that would work for everyone? Allow the ushers to fill the house from the people in line legally.

 

I'm going to quote @l_boy "This is gobbledygook ."

 

Why do you care more about the bottom line over American lives?
I’m thinking you are an illegal.

 

Because undocumented immigrants, in general, aren't dangerous. They commit less felony crime than citizens. I'm also not worried at all about terrorists crossing our S border. Way to inefficient for a terrorist cell to enter the US. Take the 19 terrorists that carried out 9/11. Not a single one crossed through the S. border. And if they had, the numbers tell us that somewhere around 5% of people who try get sick and/or die. And about 33% get caught. So, would 9/11 had been successful if out of the 19 terrorists, 1 died before getting on a plane, and 6 were caught by Border Patrol? No.

Politics also makes strange bedfellows. And in this case, we are protected by the drug cartels in Mexico, believe it or not. They are ruthless, and aren't afraid to hurt or kill anyone who gets in the way of their business. But in the end, they are business people, and rational actors. And terrorism/terrorists coming through our S border is bad for their business. Twenty years ago, there were reports of Al Qaeda and Mexican cartels communicating. As expected, the cartels told AQ to pound sand. The last thing the cartels want is US military involvement at the border, or a reason to give the US military to incur on Mexican land.

To date, the number of actual people convicted of terrorism who entered illegally through our S border stands at 2. And they entered as kids, and were later radicalized. I'm not falling for border fear mongering.

What I do fear? We enact the same policy the state of Georgia does and we see a 6% drop in GDP. Or we see the inflation predicted by the Texas GAO that said the price of milk would increase by 3.5X or more. That would directly effect me, both as a parent, and someone starting to look towards retirement in the next dozen years or so. Not to mention, the businesses that would suffer, the people who would suffer by seeing family members deported, the welfare rolls that would increase because of this, etc. This kind of damage is far greater than what any terrorist cell could hope for. We'd crumble from the inside.

Again, there is good reason two bipartisan groups never recommended enforcing current laws or building walls. They recommended an expanded guest worker program with a pathway to citizenship because they understood the damage spending billions to create stagflation that would rival, and maybe even surpass what we saw in the 1970s would be catastrophic.

 

Did you see the link posted this morning on the numbers of illegals coming thru border from terrorist nations?!
Thousands of 'special interest aliens' from Middle East countries stopped at southern border since 2021: data

 

And? I'm not afraid. Again, if terrorists wanted to attack the US, coming in through the S. border in an incredibly inefficient way of carrying out the attack. 1/3 or more wouldn't make it. So, are these people from ME countries terrorists? Or like their Hispanic brethren, just people looking for a way to improve their lives?

We already have 3.45 million Muslims living in the US. Many of whom originally come from ME terrorists nations. Should we intern them all like we did the Japanese during WWII because they are all potential terrorists too?

 

You are making ridiculous emotional arguments. You are essentially saying unless we have open borders we are going to have stagflation. That is just dumb.

In my case, I am pro immigration, I just think we should have a managed, secure and somewhat selective process. First come/first served and welcome all comers are not rational managed processes.

Take Canada from what I understand they have robust immigration but they have a process which includes a merit based aspect.

 

Rationally speaking, the demand for low cost labor is higher than the immigration system can process into the country via legal means. As my post was trying to explain that you referred to as 'gobbledygook,' the contradictions between racism and demand for labor have been resolved by illegal means. You get a cheap work force that you can deport at will if they get out of line, this seems to suit the interested parties, namely the purchasers of labor. That doesnt necessarily please the racists, but they can be appeased by showy deportations and cruelty, or big old walls. The liberals can be appeased if they get the cheap labor and the cruelty is less visible. So here we are, a entrenched status quo that swings between those boundaries.