Border Wall

Sorry that the status quo that you support of spending money in a bottomless pit of barriers and personnel didn't work. Perhaps we could try something else?

 

Mentioned it in another thread there is a difference between improving the barrier (it's much more like a fence than "a wall") in a very small part of the border approximately 20 miles in which there are a large number of illegal crossings than building a wall along most of the 2,000 mile plus border.
Edit: To enlighten the poster who gave the rating of "Come on Man". From the original linked article.

 

Who has said let's do nothing? I've been in favor of immigration reform since I've joined this board. What we shouldn't do? The same things over and over again and expect different results. Reagan started building fences in the 1980s, and Bush approved the first wall in 1993. How has 30 years of walls worked so far?

A much better solution would be follow the bi-partisan recommendations from 2007, or the bi-partisan Gang of 8 recommendations from 2013. Expand the guest worker program. Create a pathway to citizenship for those who wish to stay permanently. And use the monies generated from guest worker Visa payments to enhance border security in areas where contraband is most likely to be smuggled, which are the ports of entry. The result would be a more secure border. Not a completely secure border, but better than we have today. Those entering to work could do so in an orderly manner at legal ports instead of attempting to come in over in less or uninhabited areas. And we'd have budget for more security at the legal ports.

But a wall in the uninhabited areas? Waste of money that stops, nor even slows anyone down. This is the border near Lukeville, AZ. On the closer side of the pic is the US side, and it's all part of the Organ Pipe National Monument. It's federally protected land that looks like this for miles on either side of the border. With all the saguaro and other, smaller cactuses, unless an area is already paved, there is no use for a motorized vehicle. This wall here is completely useless, and is often cut, climbed, or parts of it destroyed during monsoon season. It is a completely waste of money.

 

@Orange_and_Bluke How can it be a “winner” to point out that one side will have to rethink their arguments in light of this and “off topic” to suggest the same applies to the other?

 

I don't support either side. I'm not partisan like you. I use my brain. But good try.

 

Biden admin and many from the left said we don't need a wall. They were wrong. You are wrong if you think just doing 20 miles will make a difference. Is it a start? Sure, but not nearly enough.

 

What about the cost, not only of building it, but having to go back and start maintaining it almost as soon as it’s built? Further, isn’t the most it does is slow down the rate of illegal crossings. I agree that illegal immigration is a problem, but not only do I believe is less of one than many would have us believe, I don’t think a wall solves it.

 

Okay, so your brain told you that a good policy goal was to push a policy that hasn't worked but keep doing it "as much as it takes?" Wow.


Also, I didn't bring up anything about parties. You did. I am here opposing the Biden administration's move. It is the same dumb policy that we have been engaged in for years. And now, we are just spending money so as not to lose it on ineffective policies.

 

Wow, you’re admitting to be dumber than Biden!
Lol, even he figured it out. We need to protect our country and secure our border.
You’re slow, but maybe you’ll get there some day.

 

It is a cost yes. Take some from our bloated defense budget and should help how much we currently pay for illegal immigrants.

AG Paxton: Illegal Immigration Costs Texas Taxpayers Over $850 Million Each Year

 

You are partisan. It's ok to deny it. You deny everything else when called out. Let me know when a wall is fully built on the border and then if it doesn't work then you can complain.

 

if you want to decrease immigration, support economic development and security in the countries that these people are trying so desperately to escape from and they wouldn't risk being beaten, raped, and murdered to get here. set up a real guest worker program to allow these workers to come here, get paid, and return home to their families. you know, real solutions that work.

 

Okay, I'll ask you the same question: how much wall before you declare the border "secure?" Give me an answer in dollars or miles, whichever metric you prefer.

 

So your position is that the border will be secure when we build 1,933 miles of wall, including up against rivers, right?

 

You can’t be serious.
We let anyone come in. Guaranteed it’s been hundreds and hundreds of gang bangers, thugs, pick pocket pros and god knows who else.
If people are being raped at the border, then imagine how many rapists are coming to a city in America near you!
In Venezuelans alone, it was hundreds of young tattooed males we let in with no idea about their criminal background.
We are being very negligent about the border right now and it’s increasingly getting worse.
Libbies are headed to Mexico as we speak to try and curb the influx.
Record number of Venezuelan migrants crossed U.S.-Mexico border in September, internal data show

 

We have the dineros. Once the Ukraine conflict concludes, we can direct more to completing the wall.

 

Wait, I thought we were in debt and needed to cut spending to avoid disaster. Now we have the money to start massive projects? Regardless, it didn't answer my question. How much?

 

Since when did anyone ever care about debt.

 

You might want to discuss it with this person, he seems pretty upset about the deficit:

 

Sounds like your way would also cost a lot of dinero and even more govt oversight.
You want to grow govt.