Border Wall

This needs to end too. Only asylum allowed is from Mexican and Canadian citizens.

 

asylum is a privilege and most importantly a process. If your first act in stepping foot in this country is a crime, then you should be barred from seeking asylum. The vast majority of so called “asylum” seekers don’t qualify and only seek asylum after they have been caught sneaking over the boarder. It is a scam and a joke.

 

change the law

 

That's not the current law though. We had a chance to change it and John Boehner said no

 

You're a lawyer, or at least claim to be. You should know what ex post facto means. The law at the time it was broken either by overstaying a visa or entering undocumented was only a misdemeanor. Do you think all the civil rights lawyers won't be salivating?

And I don't know about you, but there is almost nothing that would take me away from my family without a fight voluntarily. I would imagine the majority of those millions of undocumented parents with citizen children would feel the same way. They have a reason to stay and fight to keep their family together. And a good argument to make/story to tell if we tear families apart and deport them for a misdemeanor, which again, would be the case because ex post facto. In addition, the average undocumented immigrant has been here a decade. They have laid down roots, and aren't likely to go quietly.

And while the immigrants may not be special to you, they certainly are to businesses, especially ones that rely on the seasonal labor. Back in 1998, President Clinton raided farms in GA only weeks before the Vidalia Onion harvest. The locals struck back quickly, because if they didn't get their labor back, and quickly, the entire harvest would be lost. An entire area would be devastated economically and many small business owners would have had to declare bankruptcy and close up. And not just the farmers, but the local stores and restaurants that relied on the seasonal influx of workers and worker income. The result is the farmers got their workers, and the government has agreed not to do immigration raids during harvest season. Tell all those who rely on Vidalia onions, or all those who enjoy Vidalias that the immigrants aren't special.

So, you like the government picking winners and losers? Because your plan likely requires a minimum of six months to deport all the current immigrants and replace them with like immigrant labor! Depending on when you do this, some areas will be relatively untouched. Others will be decimated and may never recover. Or, we could change the law and allow those already here to become legal?

 

‘Stabbed in the back’: Biden’s border wall U-turn leaves Indigenous and climate groups reeling — Guardian US

 

blah blah blah. More excuses. Elect people who will change the laws in order to solve the problems. If somebody is elected and doesn’t follow through with their promises, throw them the F out of office.

 

Again with the “claim to be a lawyer” crap. That is a stale insult, which isn’t even a real insult. Try harder.

Under the current law, anyone who is in the United States, without legal authority, is subject to immediate deportation. Doesn’t have to be a crime. Get them the F out of the country. This is not rocket science, so you and your Libby friends should be able to understand. Further, your understanding on how the law works is laughable. Congress could pass a law right now that says anyone that is in the United States as of today without legal authority is committing a felony unless they depart the United States within 25 days. The crime occurs 25 days from now, not 25 days ago. Overstaying a visa is a recurring crime. Every day you stay is a crime.

you seem to have an excuse for everything. “We can’t deport the illegal aliens because we won’t get our onions picked.” Let me be clear: I don’t give a crap about your onions. And if a business hires illegal aliens as their workforce, then their ultimate failure is on them, not the people enforcing the laws. That is just another excuse for failure.

we’re not going to fix our immigration issues by making excuses and picking around the edges. We have laws currently in place, which, if enforced, would fix most of our issues. It’s gotten so out of hand, we are literally having an invasion right now at the southern border. We have 3 to 4 thousand people every day crossing the border, not to mention the fentanyl and other drugs. This is unsustainable.

 

You think deporting illegals “solves most of our issues”? Bless your nativist heart.

I hope you’ve come to like inflation, because that’s one issue some mass deportations would create. Not just a little inflation on “onions” either, total paralysis in ag and construction. Can you name the issue that would actually be solved? Nobody likes to see a mess at the border (a product of decades of failure to do immigration reform btw) but I’m talking actual societal problems. What gets “solved”? If you say Fentanyl, I’m sorry but you have to consider the possibility you’ve been brainwashed by talking points.

 

“I see the Biden administration playing a strategic game for elections,” said Michelle Serrano, co-director of Voces Unidas RGV, an immigrants rights and community advocacy group based in the Rio Grande valley. The many rural, immigrant and Indigenous communities that live in the region have become “the sacrificial lamb” for politicians looking to score points, she added.​

Not sure that's what's going on. The timing suggests something different, I would submit.

The H/R just ousted Kev McMarthy--over the fat budget. His 'baby' is on the chopping blocks--to wit, funding for Ukraine. Begs the question....why would Mister da-president so readily concede on every other front...for Ukraine? He wiped his ass with the border for 3 years, while tripping over himself for Ukraine's borders. Full machinery in full motion, for Ukraine. Now...the hell with open borders...the hell with the precious greenies and enviro-fascists...

Apparently, because....Ukraine.

What's so valuable in Ukraine that must be protected at all costs?

 

What must be protected?

Some might say freedom, comrade.

 

Ukrainians' or Americans'?

Because some old school Americans, might answer Americans'...."patriot".

 

As soon as Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California became part of the US, our Southern border with Mexico has never been secure. From the days of Geronimo through Pancho Villa up to today, getting across the border between the US and Mexico hasn't been too difficult. This isn't an excuse. It's the truth.

So is our reliance on immigrant labor. This is nothing new. Why did we have a Bracero Program for a few decades between 1943 and 1963? And why did 1 million immigrate receive asylum in 1986 if they didn't come here to work? The answer is, they did come to work.

What we have now is actually quite sustainable. It's what's been going on at the border for decades. The only difference is less Mexicans, and more C and S Americans. And the answer isn't draconian crap that will destroy families, businesses, and communities.

The answer is the same as it was 16 years ago when a bipartisan group got together. And the same when another bipartisan group, the Gang of 8, met 10 years ago. Expanded guest worker program with a pathway to citizenship and use the monies raised to help secure the border from people like drug smugglers.

If we don't do this, we'll continue with the status quo, and nothing will change. We have an appetite for immigrant labor, and removing 8 million plus people from our work force with no replacement would be calamitous to our economy, causing major business losses and huge inflation issues from mass shortages key industries such as agriculture and construction. It's why no politician has ever truly tried to enact draconian immigration laws. Nor should they.

It's not an excuse. It's the truth.

 

The questions they don't want to ask. Why do we, a country with below replacement level population growth and a pretty heavy labor shortage (which is only getting worse), need to be so worried about immigrants wanting to come here? All of this is massively inflationary. Enforcing these dumb laws have resulted in a continuing explosion of government expenditures. And even the advocates of these dumb laws admit that they have failed, implicitly, by talking about how everything is a mess down there and we just need some more laws, and more walls, and more enforcement, despite the fact that we continue adding more and more and it continues not to work. "But if we just keep throwing money down the well, eventually, we will fill the well" seems to be the only strategy they have left rather than admitting that immigration is what made this country great and we should have fewer not more laws to restrict it (much as we did before a Klan member re-wrote the laws in 1924).

 

So how do people fleeing from their country because it is horrible and seeking permanent asylum become guest workers? Guest workers implied that you will go back. That made sense with Mexico - not so much with Venezuela. This is a different deal than Mexican immigration of yesteryear.

 

Simple solution:

Set up 5-6 processing facilities on the border. Give everybody who arrives a background check. Check them for certain communicable diseases (quarantining them if they have them). Check to see if they have a planned destination and profession. Let companies who need workers perform Zoom interviews with them while there. As soon as they secure employment, which should include temporary housing paid by the employer, put them on a bus (ticket paid by the employer) and send them to wherever they are now going to live/be employed. Give them a reasonable period of time to find employment. If unable, then they can either go back to their home country or apply for residency in Mexico (or apply for asylum, but this helps lower the numbers that will likely do that, which should speed up the whole process and allow us to keep them there until their case is decided). Let the markets do their job. Stop pretending that we can utilize command-and-control regulations to completely dominate the labor market.

Call it the Ellis Island solution.

 

illegal aliens in the Country.

let me know if you have any other dumb questions.

 

It’s not only an excuse, it’s stupid. You’re advocating that we should ignore the law of our Country.(“we did it yesterday, so we have to do it tomorrow too.”) The laws you want us to ignore means we don’t actually have a country because we don’t have an actual border.

Go back to Starbucks and have a double mocha Frappuccino, and try to rethink things….or maybe I should say just think things. With you, I don’t know. You can’t solve problems if (1) you don’t acknowledge them, and (2) you keep trying the same failed solutions over and over.

 

We should learn from our history. And not be fools and repeat the same mistakes. Remember the 1998 Vidalia onion raid in 1998? Circa 2012, several states like AZ, GA, and AL passed their own draconian immigration laws. And the effect? Economic disaster.

It's estimated Alabama lost 6.2% of the state's GDP due to Hispanics leaving, and no new immigrants coming in. The results weren't any better in Georgia. Or Arizona, which in addition to labor shortages, saw less visits from Mexicans, who frequent malls in places like Tucson to shop, and add millions to the local economy.

And you want to not learn from these past mistakes, but instead repeat them and do so on a national scale? No thank you. It's beyond foolish. It's calamitous. And for what reason? To try and slow down fetanyl smuggling?

A worthwhile goal, but get a clue. Immigrants with roots and a job here aren't smuggling in illicit drugs. So are the majority of immigrants crossing on foot. The truth is 90% of illicit drugs that come into this country do so as contraband at legal entry ports. Deporting immigrants already here and stopping new ones coming in on foot won't change this.

Sorry, but I can't and won't support a failed policy that breaks up families, destroys businesses and communities, wrecks our GDP by 6% or more, causes massive inflation, and does nothing to solve our border drug issues.