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BLS reports need to change

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by surfn1080, Sep 1, 2023.

  1. ncargat1

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    A bit off topic, but in the spirit of a discussion and not looking for "gotcha points", who do you really feel is to blame for the above graph?

    This may be un-Democratic of me, but I really think that independent of political parties, that graph is a failure of the individual. They may be aided and abetted by one party or other, but personal savings rate is just that. Further, post pandemic, people seem to have lost a) their minds b) their drive to earn and c) value personal, financial security.

    Again, I probably get my Democrat card taken away, but I do not blame either party for most of that. The politicians simply have mastered the art of preying on our population and exacerbating their already bad habits.
     
  2. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    yeah, we went thru the same kind of stuff when employment numbers were improving during the Obama administration. Claims from Republicans that the numbers were fake, that Obama had changed the definitions to make the numbers look better ...
    Remember all the claims that U6 was really the valid measurement, not U3, despite the fact that U3 had been the accepted standard since the 1940s? But U6 shows a higher figure so Republicans claimed that was the real one.
    It's funny how all that ended in January 2017.
     
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  3. orangeblue_coop

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    Damn so you mean the contingent that claims to hate fake news is out here pushing fake news? Yikes!
     
  4. surfn1080

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    That is a subjective statement. Peak employment is whatever the market needs it to be.

    Easy, Trump and Biden pumping trillions into the markets.

    Just look at how much savings swelled. It spurred on spending that caused supply chain issues.

    Because of Trump and Bidens financial response to the pandemic, some people were making more money unemployed then working for day Disney or a cook at a restaurant.
    Inflation went out of control. Feds waited too long to stop QE. Fools kept saying it’s was transitory.

    When have US citizens ever been good at living with in their means? We have a history of instant gratification.

    People kept spending foolishly. I am a mortgage banker and started noticing what people were doing to their credit.

    700-800 per month auto loan payments! Blew my mind.

    It’s going to get worst this month as student loans start again.
    It’s likely part of why the participation rate got better this past month.
    Can’t live on savings anymore.
     
  5. mutz87

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    I think it might have been you who first posted a graph in 2017 about how suddenly republicans thought the economy looked good...despite there not being anything exceptional about it compared to the previous half decade...other than, well you know.
     
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  6. obgator

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    Not to mention some conservatives here who claimed that they lost money in the stock market and their 401k under Obama. I guess if you lost money in stocks during the Obama era, it only makes sense to vote for someone who bankrupted a casino.
     
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  7. WarDamnGator

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    My right wing parents actually did ... they moved all their money to an Oil fund, against the advice their broker, when Obama was elected. I guess it didn't do well. But still, to this day, they'll say it's the "smartest thing they ever did because it would have been a lot worse if they left it in stocks". I can show them charts of the DOW and S&P over that time frame, and they'll just say "that's not what I heard".... it's incredible.
     
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  8. Gatorrick22

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    This is how Biden's economy is supposed to work... less people working and more banks taking people's houses.

    All part of the plan...