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Blinken says Iran’s nuclear weapon breakout time is probably down to 1-2 weeks

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Jul 19, 2024.

  1. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    In fairness, I doubt this one mattered much to them. Their woman werent using hairspray/aerosols and and most homes dont have the HVAC systems/appliances that were at the heart of the Montreal Protocol.
     
  2. mdgator05

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    Just pointing out that it is nonsense to claim that Iran had never lived up to an agreement. Again, Trump's own administration was saying that they were in compliance with the nuclear agreement. He claimed anybody that thought that they ever lived up to any agreement was an idiot. I showed otherwise. And there are plenty of uses for CFCs in Iran. Firefighting foam, for example.
     
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  3. AzCatFan

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    Know who believed Iran would keep an agreement? Trump.

    “Iran’s leaders will naturally say that they refuse to negotiate a new deal; they refuse. And that’s fine,” the President said. “I’d probably say the same thing if I was in their position. But, the fact is they are going to want to make a new and lasting deal, one that benefits all of Iran and the Iranian people. When they do, I am ready, willing, and able.”
    This is what Trump said after ripping up the deal Obama brokered. But no new deal ever came. Iran refused to even talk, and now, they are close to having nuclear weapon potential.

    And there's evidence the old deal was working. Investigators were allowed in Iran. And before the deal, intelligence reports said Iran was a year or less to be able to make a weapon. Post Trump ripping up the deal, it took Iran 4X the time to be at this point. Had Iran continued their nuclear weapon program after the Obama deal, then why did it take them so long to get to this point after publicly restarting their weapons program?

    This is on Trump. He believed the original deal was bad. He believed he could get a better one. Neither was true.
     
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  4. duggers_dad

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    Why can’t Iran have a nuke when Israel is said to have 300 ?
     
  5. mdgator05

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    Interesting. So we can't trust Islamic countries except when aligning them against other versions of Islam? It is hard to keep track of any logic to this argument.

    Also, is it your argument that a country with a GDP of $413 Billion wouldn't be able to fund a nuclear weapons program in the 21st Century? How much do you think it costs to develop a nuclear weapon?

    Regardless, here is a simple yes/no question for you: was Iran officially in compliance with the agreement before it was canceled according to the Trump Administration?
     
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  6. mdgator05

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    Yes, but what does that have to do with anything?
     
  7. mdgator05

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    It is pretty clear that you don't know what the Abraham Accords were. They are two bilateral agreements signed between the UAE and Israel and Bahrain and Israel.

    The goal of the agreement was to delay them obtaining a bomb with the goal of governmental change over the 15 years of the agreement. As stated multiple times, every observation group involved, including every signatory (including the US), had stated that Iran was living up to its commitments. By reneging on the agreement, Iran began to enrich uranium almost immediately. And they simply started selling oil to China and through oil black markets, which are extensive in Iranian influenced areas of Lebanon. This has substantially enriched Hezbollah, who is running much of this black market for a profit.

    Organized crime amid Lebanon’s energy crisis
     
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  8. WarDamnGator

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    So your argument is that Obama's deal, with limitations and inspections for 15 years, is a worse than Trump calling off the deal, forgetting about it, and playing golf? How was Trump's and Pub's plan not an even faster track?
     
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  9. WarDamnGator

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    Yup ... it's sad and delusional that the cons keep saying "But, but, but, Iran was probably going to break their end of the deal", when it's actually Trump and the USA that broke their end of the deal. This is one of those situations where the USA are objectively the bad guys and made the world less safe, IMO.
     
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  10. duggers_dad

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    Israel: “Ha-ha! We assassinated another high-ranking Iranian official!”

    Israel two weeks later: “Damn it all! Why won’t they fight us ???”
     
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  11. Gatorrick22

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    They would never comply with that agreement. Only fool thinks they would. Yeah, let's give a known terrorist exporting nation $150 Billion... and hope they take a piece of paper to heart. You know that tiger can't change it's stripes and Iran can't stop exporting terrorism.

    Meanwhile Iranian gun-ships are getting close to our military ships and Biden could NOT care less. Yeah, the Iranians respect us...
     
  12. mdgator05

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    Yemen did not sign the Abraham Accords. The Yemeni government, such as it exists, does not officially recognize the state of Israel. Sorry, but that is factually incorrect. There are two countries that signed those accords: UAE and Bahrain. That is it. Sudan and Morocco signed similar types of agreements (but not actually the accords themselves), although neither has much to do with Iran and more to do with internal politics and their relations with other countries.
     
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  13. mdgator05

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    Okay so when you claimed that Yemen had signed the agreement, you knew that was false? BTW, the accords were both signed well after the COVID Pandemic had started.
     
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  14. mdgator05

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    Yes, Yemen is a failed state. Did you just not know that the "government" of Yemen hadn't signed the agreement or did you know that they hadn't and still chose to say something that you knew was untrue?
     
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  15. Gatorrick22

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    Mistake yes, I am human Lol...
     
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  16. slayerxing

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    but it’s totally ok for trump to go gobble up North Korean shlong and try to make deals with them?! Or for him to effing worship putin? Give me a break your double standard is so obvious it’s more pathetic than funny because you yourself think you’re so pragmatic lol. And let’s not forget his horrific negotiations with the Taliban…
     
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  18. BLING

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    Breaking the deal made no sense.

    Everyone might assume Iran would eventually break it, but at least with the deal in place they would have to circumvent the inspectors and monitors. At worst, the deal slowed them down, and if they did some secret nuclear test in violation of the deal then Iran would be the clear bad guy.

    With the deal unilaterally broken by the U.S., what was Iran going to do? Full steam ahead of course. No deal, no restrictions and no circumvention necessary. The only thing the U.S. breaking the deal could possibly ever do was to cause Iran to double down on development.
     
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  19. OklahomaGator

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    Obama did not get Congressional approval for the JCPOA. It failed in the Senate 58-42 and failed in the House as well 269-162. If he had gotten Congressional approval Trump would not have been able to "tear it up".
     
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  20. g8trdoc

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    Hopefully Trump will bomb them when he’s easily re-elected andendtgis regime for good