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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Jan 9, 2024.

  1. 92gator

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    Excellent point. Not much home grown rum here. So much sugar...no rum??? o_O
     
  2. G8trGr8t

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    cheaper to produce in Puerto Rico or USVI. Also provides major source of revenue for those two territories. A civil war nearly broke out between PR and USVI when USVI offered better incentives and stole Captain Morgan (diageo) production from PR. That resulted in hundreds of millions of "carryover" taxes being routed to USVI instead of PR through a tax program set up to funnel liquor taxes back to territories as an annual source of revenue. Totally OT but I was somewhat involved in that deal from the USVI side and found it interesting.

    In Tahiti, they use pineapple to make their spirits but the muck doesn't drain well enough for pineapples. they mature their pineapples to the point that you can eat the core. BEST.PINEAPPLE.ANYWHERE..big fan of Moorea, french influence with fresh fruit and seafood was some of best food I have ever had

    A Rum Battle, a Tax Hangover - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    Virgin Islands Snag Captain Morgan | Bond Buyer
    Bringing Captain Morgan onto St. Croix will help the USVI's overall economy. Officials estimate the additional rum tax receipts will bring in nearly $119 million of revenue beginning in 2012, with that yearly amount growing to $226.3 million in 2038, according to financial analysis data from Fiscal Strategies Group Inc. That's a dramatic boost compared to the anticipated $20.5 million of gross rum-tax receipts that officials anticipate receiving from the territory's sole rum maker, Pernod Ricard in fiscal 2009, which begins Oct. 1. Pernod Ricard manufactures Cruzan Rum.

    JPMorgan and Citi will lead the underwriting syndicate on the transaction. Hawkins, Delafield & Wood LLP is bond counsel.

    Of the rum tax revenues generated from the new distillery, each year the first $18.4 million of receipts will go towards paying principal and interest payments on the bonds. The USVI will then place 3% of gross rum-tax revenue into a community trust program, which will support local sports facilities and urban redevelopment projects on the territory's three islands, St. Croix, St. Thomas, and St. John. That 3% allocation will generate $3.5 million of revenue for the islands in 2012, with that amount growing annually to $6.7 million in 2038.

    Diageo will also receive funds from the rum tax revenues through tax incentives, marketing campaigns, and molasses subsidies. That allocation totals $36.3 million for fiscal 2012, and will increase every year to $89.1 million for those programs in 2038, according to Fiscal Strategies data.
     
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  3. 92gator

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    Had to stop half way through to pour me a rum n coke...

    Interesting stuff.
     
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  4. G8trGr8t

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    Try Cruzan Rum, not expensive but my favorite rum. Has been made on St Croix for a long time. Their rum cream is better alternative to Bailey's if you can find any. Big disappointment to me when they quit making it

    Our Rums | Cruzan® (cruzanrum.com)
     
  5. cron78

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    Not so sure about citrus continuing to be forced southward, at least not due to weather. Due to expanded residential and commercial development of groves…yes. There is a new (fairly small) citrus grove in operation on US98/19 up near Perry FL that surprised me when I first saw it several years ago. It was recently expanded in size.
     
  6. cron78

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    I seem to remember rum was made in Arcadia many years ago.
     
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  7. G8trGr8t

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    I'm working on a piece of ground now that is in a program I never encountered before. State paid farmers to destroy infected groves and keep them out of production by giving major tax breaks to property.

    Until a cure is found for greening or a tree developed that has resistance, citrus is in a death spiral in Florida
     
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  8. G8trGr8t

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    prohibition days?
     
  9. phatGator

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    Thanks for posting this. I had not heard of it before, not living in a citrus area. In the Midwest our quarantine regards Emerald Ash Borer. The pest came in on pallets from China carrying auto parts to Detroit.

    I’ve lost 14 ash trees to it including one that was 36 inches in diameter. I’m convinced that this is a Chinese plot to end major league baseball. :eek::D
     
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    No. I’m thinking that about 35 years ago there was a distillery down there somewhere. I’ll try to research it.

    edit: Wasn’t able to find info on what I recall as the source of a really cheap rum we used to partake of in my 1980s UF days that I think was from a distillery in Arcadia. I did learn, however, that there is a new wave of craft rum distilleries across south Florida. Too bad I don’t get down that way much anymore.
     
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    From the Florida Politics text service. Tells you all you need to know about the relationship

    Eric Edwards nabs big promotion at U.S. Sugar -
    Major moves for Edwards, as the Clewiston native is U.S. Sugar's new Senior Vice President of Public Affairs.
    "Each year with U.S. Sugar, Edwards has taken on increasingly greater roles and responsibility, and he has proven to be a strong and effective leader - both within our company and the industry," said Ken McDuffie, U.S. Sugar President and CEO. "We are extremely proud that one of Clewiston's own will continue our long-term efforts to advocate for agriculture and our agricultural communities."
    Edwards previously served as Vice President of State Governmental Affairs.
     
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  12. G8trGr8t

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    incestous...yet Desi talks about clean water. can't clean the legacy pollution let alone treat even more
     
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    Snow Black or Snow Brown, this will be the next multi-million dollar woke Disney flop:

    Disney’s Snow White | Teaser Trailer | In Theaters March 21 (youtube.com)

    March 21, 2025 will come and go as a dud for Disney.

    Gal Gadot as the Evil Queen is far too pretty, and Snow Black/Brown is completely unbelievable as the fairest in the land. I mean Gal Gadot isn't the fairest in the land? LOL!

    I have no idea why the Disney investors haven't completely cleaned house at Disney from the top down.