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Biden's 6:30 press conference today

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by cocodrilo, Jul 11, 2024.

  1. Bazza

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  2. gator34654

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    The jokes on you, one is conception and the other is actual birth. Celebrating ones birth does not diminish the fact that life had begun. Sorry, you cannot get around the fact that life begins at conception. To abort a fetus/human being with the exception of the life of the mother is murder. Rationalize it all you want but while you're at it, do some research on how abortion began with planned parenthood. You might have to do some digging because it' now hard to find.
     
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  3. mdgator05

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    Why would one celebrate birth? It isn't when life began according to you. In fact, one of the definitions of "birthday" is an anniversary of the existence of something (e.g., the US's birthday is July 4), which seems to suggest that is why we celebrate that day. I don't celebrate other random biological developmental milestones, like the beginning of puberty. So if it isn't the beginning of life, why would we celebrate that date?

    Also, why doesn't the government count people prior to birth as citizens in the US census nor hand out certificates stating their existence?
     
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  4. ursidman

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    You agree with it ergo it is the “obvious”. Thats kinda how bias works.
     
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    Don't say that over on swamp gas, those guys are brutal! :emoji_joy:
     
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    You're in a fertility clinic that is burning to the ground. On one end of the room where you're trying to escape is a tray of at least 16 fertilized embryos, on the other side of the room is a scared and lost toddler. You only have time to save one or the other. Which are you grabbing, the solitary child or the entire tray of 16 human lives?

    I expect a lot of negative ratings from forced birthers on this one; they hate where this hypothetical leads them with their professed opinions and beliefs.
     
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  7. ursidman

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    And that is your opinion.
     
  8. RealGatorFan

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    He needs a teleprompter in order to get the right person. First he stands before NATO and calls on Zelensky as Putin, and then totally embarrassing Kamala Harris by referring to his VP as Trump.
     
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    That could stir up “issues”
    But Hon, this date can’t be right - that’s the week i was out of town”
     
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  10. gator34654

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    I suspect traditionally over the ages births were celebrated as they should be. Back then there was not the scientific means to show the process of egg fertilization as to when life of a human begins.
    But we do have biblical evidence that life began beyond actual birth from the One who has created all things. God.
    “For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.” Psalms 139:13-16
    “Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: ‘I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself.'” Isaiah 44:24
     
  11. gatorjo

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    You're funny. As in its funny to see the hypocritical drivel you say.

    You're a Trump supporter who wails against someone lying. :)

    Next you'll let us know how strongly you are against adultery and rape, LOL.

    After that, once you get done shilling for and praising your Great Orange Idol, you may even try to claim to have....values. :)

    Then, after lying and gaslighting about the Trump-incited attack on our government, you could claim to be a patriot!
     
  12. gator34654

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    The biological line of existence of each individual, without exception begins precisely when fertilization of the egg is successful. The process of fertilization actually begins with conditioning of the spermatozoon in the male and female reproductive tracts.
    Human embryologists, the real scientific experts in the area of human development, authoritatively conclude that a human embryo is a human being immediately beginning at fertilization - the fusion of an egg and sperm immediately resulting in a new, genetically distinct human being (zygote).
     
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    Wow, talk about hypocritical.
     
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  14. ursidman

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    But….


    Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being.”

    The first human became a "living being" (nefesh hayah, "a living breath") when God blew into its nostrils and it started to breathe. Human life begins when you start breathing, biblical writers thought.
     
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  15. gatorjo

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    I disagree 100%. I don't support a convicted felon. Nor an adulterer. Nor an adjudicated sexual assaulter. Nor someone who incited an assault on our government.

    Do you?

    If so, how does it feel? Good? Does Jesus smile on you for your support for such an amoral, vile individual?
     
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    It's clear I'm wasting time/breath on here, we debate and nothing changes. Have a great day.
     
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    Actually surprised so many people watched last night with Shark Week on.
     
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  18. mdgator05

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    So why then don't you start the tradition of conception days? Why don't you start the push for conception certificates instead of birth certificates? Why don't you start the push for people being counted in the census? Strange that none of that happened prior to now, but maybe you need to push to correct those obvious errors, based on your logic here.

    In terms of your citations, in Judaism, that is not the thought (and both of those are Old Testament cites). Why does the religion for which those books were actually written disagree with your interpretation?

    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/abortion-in-jewish-thought/
     
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    You really need to charge him rent Jo
     
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    I will readily agree that I agree with it. But whether anyone does or doesn’t agree, it was a worthy of reporting to any reasonable person and very valuable discussion for all voters.

    Fo you really want Biden meeting with Putin and calling him Zelensky?