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Biden trails in swing states

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by l_boy, Nov 6, 2023.

  1. VAg8r1

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    In case of being careful what you wish for (referring to supporters of Trump), the same polling firm found Biden doing much better against Trump (with the exception of Georgia) in a 3-way election with the addition of RFK, Jr. running as a 3rd party/independent candidate. Even in Nevada where Biden still trails Trump by 6%, in the original poll without RFK, Jr. he trailed Trump by 11%.
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  2. l_boy

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    1983 we were starting to come out of a bad recession and by 1984 things were going much better.

    The point is not that this means Biden will lose. He may or may not. The point to me is he is not the best D candidate. There has been this narrative that Biden was the best one to beat Trump, due to his appeal to moderates, being more blue collar ish, support among blacks, etc. That was true in 2020. Not true anymore. His negatives of being old and tied to inflation outweigh those diminishing advantages. Plus those negatives are not going away.
     
  3. FutureGatorMom

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    One "moron" wants to keep Democracy, while the other one is dying to go on a revenge tour and destroy our country doing it. He already damaged it.

    Has anyone read about Project 2025?

    https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/project-2025

    Conservative groups draw up plan to dismantle the US government and replace it with Trump’s vision
     
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  4. FutureGatorMom

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    That's rich.
     
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  5. jjgator55

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    Today’s elections should give us a much better idea about where each party stands. Democrats have been winning these consistently since 2016, but voters seem to lean more toward republicans once the Democrats fix what republicans broke.
     
  6. AzCatFan

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    Voters have traditionally short attention spans. You are correct about 1983, and by the middle of 1984, or the last six months before the election, the economy was doing well. People decided not to rock the boat and kept Reagan. And it wasn't at all close.

    I doubt we see the 4.9% growth again any time soon, but if we see quarterly growth of around 2.5% to 3% and inflation around or under 3% between now and next November, anyone will have a difficult time defeating Biden. It's the nature of an incumbent running for re-election. And had COVID not happened, it's likely, that even with all his many flaws, Trump would have won in 2020.

    People may not like Biden for whatever reason. But if things between now and next November continue on the current path with growth, unemployment, and inflation numbers, a year from now, people will likely again not want to rock the boat with any change.
     
  7. BLING

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    Arguably could have said the same in 2016. Things were pretty stable, then we elected the nut-job.

    Admittedly he wasn’t as economically destructive as I thought he’d be. Of course that’s because he was pretty full of shit (Mexico didn’t pay for the wall, New NAFTA same as old NAFTA, etc). America might not get so lucky a second time in a “retribution tour” or if he aligns w/ Putin and against the U.S. constitution. Chaos and unchecked corruption is bad for business.
     
  8. ajoseph

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    All of this begs the question, though, because Biden is not a choice that middle America (politically speaking) wants
     
  9. WarDamnGator

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    I'm a little skeptical of these polls, since Trumpsters encouraging a RFK run may be saying they'd vote for him, but won't. I also think RFK voters will come to their senses and either vote for Biden or Trump in the end.
     
  10. AzCatFan

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    Had Biden run in 2016, he wins easily in my opinion as the Obama VP. But he didn't run, and we got a very flawed Hillary instead. Who ran a very poor election. Too much of a victory tour, not enough campaigning.
     
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  11. PITBOSS

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    His national polling will be interesting. Cali has big issues thst will hurt him. but a big plus - he’s not trump or Biden. It’s not enough this time Biden isn’t Inmate P01135809, biden is deemed too old. But shoot Trump will be 78 so newsome (or any other) will be refreshingly younger.

    btw Repubs have Nikki who might be a W in the bag, but too many maga are already lock-step followers of Dear Leader.
     
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  12. l_boy

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    It’s not employment. It’s inflation. Prices are a lot higher. And just because they go back to 3% inflation give or take doesn’t mean the prices go back down. Prices still seem high. It will probably take a few years for people to reset their expectations of price levels.

    Also, due his age and the funny way he speaks they don’t put Biden out there much, so he isn’t really able to make his case.
     
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  14. VAg8r1

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    This guy applied after being fired from the same position and that description seems to describe him.
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    The story is Democrats continue to over perform under Biden. The GOP hasn’t had a good showing for 7 years now. Maga is a loser platform and the GOP will continue lose with it.
     
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    Pipe dreaming ain’t easy.
     
  19. G8tas

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    Biden will win if he campaigns on abortion
     
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