Biden and the border

While you are likely correct there are plenty on BOtH sides who are guilty of this.

 

And you know very well that the Admin can selectively enforce or not enforce said laws correct?

Look at the choice to not enforce Marijuana laws by the Feds for the last 8 years. Wether it’s “right” or wrong isn’t the point.

 

I agree but only one side is claiming that the people coming in illegally are going to kill us all while paying them to do their lawns and change their kids diapers.

 

Dementia Don seems to be attracting dementia posters. This thread is a rough representation of right-wing arguments.

 

Probably about the same number as the pro-immigration morons who enjoy that same cheap labor.

Glad you brought this up as this goes to the heart of the matter. Neither party really wants to fix this issue and control the border. Both sides talk a good game, but neither does anything about it. Trump was the only politician who took action. His own party really didn’t support him, and the democrats hid behind the bullshit that since the plan isn’t 100% effective, that they can’t support it. Nothing is 100% effective. Walls don’t stop 100%, but they damn sure prevented the 10-20 million(depending on who you believe) who have crossed the border illegally under Harris.

I would support felony charges with high fines against those that hire illegals.

 

If I really was confused, I wouldn’t be able to call you post above bullshit. But since I’m not, you’re not only full of shit, but very disingenuous.

 

I take a different tack. I think we should let almost everyone in but give them a social security number and tax their earnings. I would execute anyone caught hiring someone off the books. Seriously. Some food prices will go up and getting your lawn mowed will cost a little more. The truth is immigrants do the jobs Americans won’t. Why people think this is a problem befuddles me. It defines the problem with a preexisting solution. Stop letting people cheat by not collecting taxes.

 

Also, just a little fact to remember. The largest generation in US history is already halfway into retirement and being replaced by the smallest in US history.

Now, back to the emotional screeds.

 

He took action because of COVID. Every country did the same thing. It wasn't a powerful thing he did all on his own. Shutting down people coming from China was comical. I had a business associate who was Chinese come with his wife and daughter in February of 2020.

Anyway, you're right about neither side wanting to focus on the border It's been that way for decades. Leads me to believe that it's neither as good or bad as they say, it's just a political football.

 

Okay. I'll play. How are my fact-based comments bullshit?

Thank you in advance.

 

So in this context, you are saying trump failed to execute the immigration enforcement laws in 2019? That is what we are discussing.

 

There have been efforts to fix immigration other than Trump's draconian attempts. 2007 and again in 2013 a bipartisan committee met, and both came up with the same answer. The second was the Gang of 8, and their solution, like the committee 6 years prior was an expanded guest worker program that tracked new immigrants coming in, give them time to work, and then either return home or get a citizenship pathway.

While not a cure-all, it's the best solution out there. Especially when you look at the history of mass deportations and the effect they had on the economy. Every time, the economy took a dip, and the wages of citizens dropped. That's because labor participation is not a zero sum game. The more people employed in a locale, the more people are needed to have jobs to support these consumers. And when immigrants are working at the bottom, it opens up jobs for citizens above and beyond.

Trump had adults in the room with him his first term that understood this. It kept extremists like Miller at bay. Now, those adults are almost all anti-Trump, calling him unfit for office, and Trump is proposing the biggest deportation in the country's history. I guess it's one way to fix immigration. Make things so awful with mass stagflation that people realize what a mistake Trump's mass deportation was and we eventually create a system that should have already been in place for the better part of a dozen years!

 

Because your facts are blatantly not complete. Mostly because giving the complete facts would change your narrative about crossings increasing in 2019

 

LOL, say what?!

Using the middle of your range, and generally accepted estimates.....

.....you're basically saying that EVERY illegal immigrant in the United States entered during the Biden Administration.

Silly. You need to be careful, man. Once you start to accept the lying, and embrace alternative facts, you just might start spouting off laughable nonsense yourself.

 

Aging gator must be suffering from dementia he agrees to what needs to be done. Admits that both sides play the issue for politics but then still rants that we need to stop them at the border.

 

Walls stop nothing unless they have regular substations, the contents of which (Border Patrol/Roman Legions) are what stop things. This is why his wall was always the dumbest of dumb ideas, because they actually think the wall itself will do the work. The reason Hadrian's wall worked is because you had 20 Roman soldiers every mile, with more forts behind those if things get really dicey.

Thus, all of this could be accomplished far better with a good fence line and MORE BORDER CONTROL AGENTS! Any plan that does not include a massive increase in BPA is not a plan based in reality. P.S. You're also going to need drone and seismic surveillance too as they are very good at tunneling and some will make it through, no matter how fortified the border is.

 

I would also add that a wall didn't stop these illegals from trying to enter the US from Mexico. Although the migrants in the photo were interdicted by the Coast Guard many more undoubtedly make it through.

Risking Everything to Come to America on the Open Ocean

 

Here is your chance, hero. Add complete facts to the narrative on how the 116th Congress impacted border crossings in 2019.

You won't because you can't. You're just wildly punching at the air.

Sad, really.

 

Oh no, so since there are multiple ways to get to the US we shouldn't make our border as secure as possible? That is a crazy analogy there.

 

You're finally starting to get it.

At a cost of probably $20-100 billion, not to mention hugely increased operational and maintenance costs......we should NOT construct a wall across the southern US border, which would not even come close to eliminating illegal entries. Much less, even land entries.

Congrats.