Biden’s Electric Vehicle Mandate

Are you saying that the Liberals aren't trying to kill all use of fossil fuels?

 

That’s because you don’t understand there are thousands of uses for fossil fuel that do not involve lighting it on fire.

 

Definitely elements of that. But I think it is also that these people spent the 2000s-2010s telling people how the Earth would get cooler soon, solar and wind energy were too expensive (and would be forever or at least a long time), electric cars would never be mass market products, and that the only way to lower the cost of gas was to drill more oil domestically.

They are struggling to deal with a world that is not cooling but heating up even more, in which solar and wind (with storage) is cheaper than fossil fuel burning for utility-scale power production, electric cars are becoming mass market products, and in which we are producing record amounts of oil but it isn't resulting in a lower price of gas. To be fair, it is a big pile of wrong to deal with for those that made those predictions.

 

My formerly deep red (now more purple) neighborhood was swimming with Teslas and Volts long before any national push towards EVs happened and Musk lost his mind.

I want to convert but the non-Tesla market and non-home charging infrastructure isn't up to snuff yet.

 

We bought an electric vehicle last year because I had a longer commute and it was cheaper than the volvo station wagon my wife wanted. No one told me how fun it was going to be to drive. I've been trying to get my wife to learn to drive stick shift for years, so we could have a fun car to go along with the minivan. No longer a desire of mine. Electric cars, with their lack of transmissions and amazing torque at any speed, are way better than driving a stick shift. Our second car is always going to be an electric from now on.

It's a cheap econobox of an EV (Chevy Bolt), but it is tall enough for me (6'3") and it boogies. 0-60 in 6.3 when fully charged (people are getting it down to 6.0 with performance tires), and plenty of instant torque to get from 70-90 in nothing flat as well. It does chew through tires though

I don't see EV minivans coming any time soon, so we'll still have an ICE vehicle for roadtrips. But our drive around town without all the kids car is definitely an EV from now on.

 

How is the mileage with AC? Pretty hot in Florida where I live.

 

I stopped worrying about the math after about a month When I was doing the math, the electricity cost about a third of what the gas had been costing me doing the same drive in an ICE vehicle that got 32-33 mpg. The difference was so huge that I just stopped bothering paying attention to it.

It actually does worse in the winter than the summer. The listed mileage on a full battery is 259 miles, but I've had it tell me as high as 320 when the weather was nice and I wasn't on the highway, down to 180 when it was cold and I was driving on the highway. My daily commute is 70 miles round trip and we have a charger in the garage, so the max mileage is a little irrelevant for us.

 

I’ve owned two non-Tesla EVs and they’ve both been exceptional. I’ve also taken both on road trips with no problem. I did opt to take my brother’s truck on a recent ski trip since we were on a time crunch but I’ve found EV infrastructure concerns to be highly overblown. It just requires more planning now until DC fast chargers are nearly as ubiquitous as gas stations.

Edit - DC charging infrastructure varies widely based on region.

 

Still not ready for an EV but am looking at the Lexus NX hybrid to replace our 14 y/o RDX.

 

Lol... Obviously you have not been reading anything we on the Right post. I've posted lists of hundreds of other products made from refining fossil fuels.

This is why China about 25 to 30 years ago ditched their effort to get everyone in small vehicles and ride bicycles to work. They knew that oil was a commodity in short supply. But they also knew that there were thousands of products that are made from refining oil... not just gasoline.

So they made the push to jump on the big oil train... and now, 25 to 30 years later, they have millions of vehicles and can now produce the hundreds and even thousands of other products that come with refining oil simply becasue they increased demand for oil and gas... Without the demand for oil they had no real need to buy oil nor to refine the oil for all the other products that come from refining it. They didn't even care that didn't have enough oil to supply their needs.

All they needed was to increase the demand for oil in their country, and they did just that. There's a famous picture of the hundreds of thousands of yellow bicycles in a monstrously huge pile in China, that these Chinese abandoned right after their push for ICE vehicles.

But what's different in China than the U.S.A and Russia is that China doesn't have nearly enough oil for what their needs are, and their need for fossil fuels is increasing. I'm sure that whole time they were making back deals with other nations to not only increase their supply.

That country will never really sign a meaningful Climate Change Treaty, because they invented that whole LIE. They weren't alone, becasue the name of the original Treaty is the is the Kyoto Treaty. But they knew the implications of the whole scam. Even Bill Clinton and George W. Bush refused to sign that treaty and it's subsequent iteration/s.

The Chinese want all the oil that the U.S.A. and Russia and OPEC produces... so they can produce gasoline and all those thousands of other fossil fuel products (not the main reason for the oil) and other fuels, so they can make them and sell them abroad. If you can't make the jets then make (refine from oil) the fuel that they run on. That's next...

It will take several decades before we get a replacement vehicle for the jet, and batteries will never have the weight to power ratio to make them feasible for long distance flight, so there will almost always be a need for a combustible jet fuel. I don't think the world can grow enough corn to make an alternative combustible fuel to compensate for the lack of fossil fuels needed for keep our jets flying.

Watch and see who starts buying all of our coal... That industry is next to be bought and owned by China. Even American coal.

Climate Change was never about the climate... so they have no compunction about burning any fossil fuel it into the atmosphere. It's always been about cheap abundant energy in the hear and now.

Obama even said that the world is looking to the U.S.A to come up with the next renewable fuel/energy to replace fossil fuels, as he left office. And even though we can make many of those same products with corn, the abundance of fossil fuels make them far cheaper than the corn alternative.

These fossil fuel bi-products and energy independence are all related. If you have energy independence... you have cheap fuel stocks to make thousands of other products too.

But let's not pretend that these other products are the main reason to have a huge oil refining capacity. That is all about the many different combustible fuels that oil refining makes. The fuels made from refining oil is the real reason to have those other textile products industry in the first place.

In all this we will see advancements to our energy supply needs, like corn based fuels for our jets, and attempts to make batteries powerful enough to power ICE planes.

But battery powered jets are way too far off in the future... There's no rational way to consider batteries to be a viable way to "fuel" a jet... it's just a pipe dream right now.

In the end your remarks about the thousands of other products being make from refining fossils fuels is a moot point and argument. We already have oil and already make those thousands of other products.

 

You have absolutely none, zero, nada, zip idea what's going on in the Chinese car market. EVs are expected to make up 44% of their new car sales this year. Chinese EVs are accounting for close to 70% of global EV sales.

China in the EV-driving seat, as the US and EU struggle to keep up

 

Soon you will be able to charge most EVs on Tesla's network.

 

Define soon.

 

Great car. I would strongly suggest you consider getting the plug-in hybrid if you have the ability to charge at home. It's the most powerful NX and the HVTB is relatively small compared to an EV's so you can easily charge it overnight on 110V. You should be good for 37 miles on battery only, which is the average Americans drive in a day. 550 miles total range.

 

Right now for Ford and Rivian EVs...more to come shortly. Ford is even giving the adapter away free ($230 retail) to Mach-E Mustang and Lightning owners.
https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging-other-evs#vehicles


Tesla’s Charging Network is Now Open to Other EVs and Ford Is First In Line

 

Good news.
Thanks

 

I am waiting for this to happen but hertz rent a car bought a bunch of teslas and couldn’t rent them so they are selling the whole fleet. Am thinking of buying a gently used Tesla from hertz for mid 20k.

 

What effect does that commercial use have on Tesla's normal warranties?

 

I am not sure. I have just started researching. I literally heard about this today. There are dozens with under 100k miles under 25 k