At least 16 people dead and suspect at large after multiple incidents in area of Lewiston, Maine

People definitely say that, and I think they believe it. It's less clear to me what percentage would actually be willing to die if it came down to it.

 

No one thinks they are the problem or ever will be. And our society is increasingly becoming more selfish. It’s rooted in a sense of entitlement. Our parents\ grandparents understood they needed to help as ‘civic duty’. provide help to others and society. Did your parents/ grandparents do that? Mine did and dad was a staunch conservative. It was a way of life. Now, all that is considered woke and mocked. maga just wants to burn it all down to get a sense they are contributing and provide them a sense of purpose. And breaking stuff isn’t that difficult or require much long term thought.

 

I know one guy who I know at least wouldn't comply under any circumstances. Maybe he just refuses the cops and they take him to jail and confiscate the guns. I think that if he knows that is what would happen, he would very likely think it's an act of aggression and unconstitutional (even if there was an amendment). Good chance he'd go down in a blaze of glory.

 

Leaving aside the impracticality of hardening all soft targets (laughable) it’s just crazy to me that this is the preference. They want to live in a literal bullet proof police state with armed guards posted at every post office, skating rink, church, school, bowling alley, nightclub, grocery store and bank rather than pass sensible gun laws. Complete insanity.

 

I listened to that fight on the radio. It wasn't televised and the only way to see the fight was to pay a $5 admission (a lot of money back in 1965) to see it a movie theater. Other than the fight unexpectedly ending in the first round what I most I recall was the way Robert Goulet butchered the prefight National Anthem.

 

Do you know if there are registry requirements for guns/ARs in every state? When I purchased my shotgun, it was registered through a licensed dealer & I had to clear a background check. The check doesn't apply if the offender obtains weapons prior.

Another issue is that people can purchase gun parts w/o serial numbers and assemble the AR platform in lieu of registration.

 

I doubt those same nutters would be part of a government organized & regulated militia in order to exercise that same 2a right. Gun nutters have convinced themselves that any regulation is some violation of their right.

They're wrong and have always been wrong, but that doesn't matter.

 

Bears in general and Grizzlies in particular take heap of killing before they’re dead. In most cases the sidearm serves only to make the carrier feel safe.

 

Do you honestly think Joe Concealed Carry with his pea shooter is going to go all Die Hard and save the day against a military-trained shooter with an AR? You know better than i do the kinds of aiming scopes these military style weapons have. Hard to miss with the green dot pointed at your target. The handgun?

 

The guy previously threatened to shoot up a military base - and nobody took his gun away?

That's the issue.

 

The kind of gun doesn’t inherently have anything to do with scopes/sights.

To use the examples in your post to illustrate that point, I personally own ARs that only have peep through iron sights and handguns that have green dot reflex sights.

 

Hard dislike on this statement. The fact that you value the right to own war weapons suggests you value that more than the lives of people murdered last night in Maine.

Thanks - this answers my previous question. I'm not in favor of this policy (or lack thereof). IOW - we'll just continue to allow nutcakes to own war weapons and use them to shoot innocent citizens and children.

The majority of the country is questionable. And if not, some of them should come around to making certain sacrifices to the good of the citizenry.

Otherwise, what is your suggestion for preventing nutjobs from killing innocent people?

 

wHat aBOuT hiS rOOMmaTes!!!?

 

Eric Rudolf who bombed the Olympics and abortion clinics - killing to protest deaths by abortion hid out in these parts in Nantahala NF for over 5 years. Was finally caught as a vagrant digging through trash bins by a rookie cop a couple of miles from where I sit. One of his camps overlooked the HS. So the Maine shooter may be hard to capture if he’s still alive.

edit: see Vag8r1 already covered this.

 

I did. At 13, my friend got his dad's revolver out, emptied the slugs and was pointing around the apartment. Click . . . click . . . click . . . BANG! Richochet and took out a couple full beer collector cans in different parts of the unit. Not only was there a richochet; my friend said that he was thinking about pointing at me and at his own head. One of us could easily have died that day.

 

I don't know the laws here. Assuming state registries are lawful, is there anything preventing states from collecting and sharing that information in a comprehensive way? If Federal registries are illegal, is that based upon the 2nd Amendment, statute, or something else? It would seem to me if it's a 2nd Amendment problem, that would preclude registries at the state level as well?

 

Great, let's turn our places of leisure into military complexes. Wet dream for gun nutters.

 

Not exactly correct. In most states, when you want to buy a gun from a dealer, you go to said dealer, pick out your gun, fill out a form 4473, and undergo a background check and undergo any prescribed waiting period. Usually the waiting period is waived if the buyer has a concealed carry license, and in some states the background check is also. The 4473 is kept by the dealer and handed over to the AFT if the dealer ceases to maintain their Federal Firearms License. It used to be that dealers could throw them out after 20 or so years. The gun isn't "registered" to the individual, there is just a record of transfer. An actual registry is illegal per the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.

All that said, the AFT has been illegally keeping data from 4473s to create a de-facto registry and has come under some congressional scrutiny for doing so.

You also cannot just purchase all the parts of an AR15 (or a pistol for that matter) and assemble it yourself without going through an FFL. The lower receiver is a serialized part that is regulated as a firearm by the AFT and requires the same process as described above. You can buy an unfinished, unserialized receiver (commonly known as an 80% receiver) that requires additional tooling to finish (usually a drill press if not a mill) and essentially manufacture your own firearm without going to a dealer, but you can also 3D print one or or mill one from a billet of aluminum on a CNC machine if you really wanted to. Either way, that process isn't trivial as for an AR it involves not just drilling holes for the pins that hold the trigger, hammer, safety, etc. but also removing a bunch of aluminum from the interior of the receiver to hold all of the fire control components using either a drill press or a mill. There's an AFT rule out there attempting to eliminate this that is working its way through a series of judicial challenges right now.

 

Nonsense upon stilts.

 

What tyranny are ARs going to prevent? PLEASE answer this.
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