At least 16 people dead and suspect at large after multiple incidents in area of Lewiston, Maine

The thing about people who think more armed people will stop mass shootings is that these shooters specifically choose soft targets. When is the last time a mass shooter attacked a police station? A gun range? If more people get armed in grocery stores, churches, schools, etc… they’ll just target hospitals, elderly homes, playgrounds and so on… They’ll change their tactics to adapt to the situation.

When I practice shooting in the military, the “easy” targets are at 50m away and you never miss those unless you are terrible. Let that sink in… 164 ft away is easy to hit with an AR-15. You don’t need training and you don’t need to zero your rifle. Point and shoot. Active shooters are probably shooting at 15-20 feet away and just unloading magazines without worrying about running out.

 

very scary. i bet most here or family have had a close call with a gun, someone injured accidentally, etc. Many more instances than using a gun to hold off a roving mob of marauders invading your home.

....and i don't say confiscate guns. but jeesk maga, at least talk about the problem and potential solutions. instead of "duuuuuuuuh, people drown and we're not banning pools"

 

Yeah there isn’t a solution that would actually make a difference that you gun nuts aren’t going to perceive as a violation of your constitutional rights. Unfortunately, getting to not live in a state of constant terror (because that’s what it is - far right domestic terrorism) is not a constitutionally protected right. Again just totally disgusting to me that your gun rights are more important to you than meaningfully addressing ongoing and frequent domestic terrorism. But you do you.

 

Their right to walk into (name public place) and slaughter people supersedes everyone else's right not to get gunned down. Priorities.

 

Voting may be a bad example, as those that most fear gun confiscation are very enthusiastic about voter registration confiscation

 

”Now is not the time to discuss gun control.” - Ammosexuals after every mass shooting the last 25 years

 

Another reason they want to ban books

 

There are other ways to significantly reduce it. They just aren't cheap nor easy. Hardening soft targets is a big one. Opening up NICS for private use is another. Changes in how we structure liability to make it untenable to be irresponsible is also a pretty good avenue. None of those options have to end up infringing on anyone's constitutional rights.

 

Cars can't really be used to prevent tyranny, and votes aren't a physical possession.

 

In the most agreeable way I can say it horseshit. I’ve given the examples in TX where plenty of people were carrying. In Florida well over 1M have concealed carry. Citizens with guns don’t shoot back. They run. It’s the smart thing to do. The shooter is typically more heavily armed, wearing body protection and doesn’t care about dying. Also gun nutters who carry guns are exceptionally terrified. They only shoot when trapped in their home by a black teenager knocking on the door

 

Lol, why is it not an abridgement to your rights to have to register for a non-physical possession and an abridgement to your right to have to register for a physical possession? What about it's physicalness changes the abridgement? Sounds like you are looking for some way it is different because you want it to be different as it would be more inconvenient for you personally rather than really making a coherent argument.

 

I think you are writing this in disagreement with what I posted? If so, you might want to re-read what I wrote, because you and I are on the same side here.

 

Let's just not go through this again. Agree to disagree.

 

I officially register my thoughts and prayers here. Hope they work this time.

 

This actually does happen with some frequency. The law abiding spouse merely keeps the firearm in a locked container that the restricted spouse does not have access to.

 

Why should we want the means to private transfer? That seems like a massive loophole by which people who shouldn't be armed get armed and massive gun trafficking can occur, fueling large scale violence in multiple ways.

 

You woke up and chose violence today!

 

These are good for 48-72 hours until the next mass shooting

 

I’ve proposed the same thing in every mass shooting thread which, shock of all shocks, would actually prevent most mass shootings and would have prevented this one.

Tighten up the language of the mental health prohibited person statute, and then actually enforce it. Issue the surrender order. If you know someone who has been committed to a mental institution and still has guns, report them.

I’m actually potentially okay if the police want to go to the prohibited person’s residence to enforce the surrender order. If it’s a spouse or roommate’s gun, they can keep it if they’re willing to sign an affidavit affirming that it’s theirs and they won’t permit the prohibited person to possess it. To the extent necessary, put procedural regulations around that enforcement visit which prohibit police from using it as a search for anything other than weapons.

If the police know of prohibited persons with guns, charge them with the federal felony of being a prohibited person in possession (that charge is almost never prosecuted as a stand-alone charge unless law enforcement is just looking for a basis to arrest someone they’re looking at for something else).

With the exception of maybe Vegas, these mass shootings aren’t folks being taken by surprise that the person is crazy. It is, almost uniformly, people where everyone that knew them - including authorities - knew they had severe mental illness, and in most cases they’ve received inpatient treatment for mental illness. It shouldn’t come as a shock when someone that everyone knew was batshit crazy does something crazy, so enforce the laws intended to keep people with severe mental illness from owning guns.

 

The only way to enforce no private transfers is with a gun registry