At least 16 people dead and suspect at large after multiple incidents in area of Lewiston, Maine

Isn’t it standard practice for them to de-activate the social media accounts of these nutbars, or when you say “scrubbing” do you mean Musk tried to do more cover?

 

Yeah, if they identify the person usually they lock and/or deactivate the account, that seems pretty normal.

 

Come on guys! How many times to I have to say it. It’s the ammo, other than some military grade stuff this fires a 223 round made (believe) only by remmington, a coumpany we can all agree should be shuttered.

 

I guarantee he thought of himself as a 'law abiding gunowner' like all the other people who post here that are super into guns, and he probably was in the strictest sense until he decided to use his guns for the same reasons anyone does, to regain control and power.

 

See ya’ then

 

Most of those things aren't exactly illegal to own. It's just that you can't find anyone who will sell them to you. There are civilians who own (disarmed) fighter jets, helicopters, etc. They're very expensive, buy can be bought. The issue is with the munitions. Even if you could find someone to sell them to you, you'd be paying taxes on each one and have to have appropriate and very expensive facilities to store those types of explosives due to the risk of indiscriminate destruction.

 

I don't disagree, and I can hit at distance with irons just fine, but something like a red dot allows you to keep a target focus and is significantly faster to both acquire and to transition targets, especially if you are cross eye dominant (right handed but left eye dominant) like I am.

 

Have the liberals on this thread given up their guns yet ? They’ve had a good 48 hours to do so.

 

Literally nothing about this is correct.

All sorts of non-AR guns (including a bunch of bolt action rifles) are chambered in .223, there are literally dozens of other calibers an AR can be chambered in, basically every ammunition manufacturer on the planet makes .223, and Remington went bankrupt and sold off its assets in 2020 and doesn’t exist as a company anymore in the first place (a different company bought the name and just uses it as a brand name for one of their lines of ammo at this point).

 

Tell the board in one short paragraph you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

 

I have the same problem. Cross eye dominant and it sucks at the range. It’s gotten worse with age. I wear some light prescription glasses at the range to qualify now, but otherwise I don’t need to wear them.

 

Ben's got it right. I'm generally using something like a Holosun 508T, 507C, 507k, or EPS carry, depending on what I am carrying. They are pretty easy to conceal carry, especially with the right belt and holster. And I literally did it at a bowling alley and bowled one of my better games last night.

In terms of range and accuracy, rifles are definitely going to be more accurate and will have a flatter trajectory, but knowing your holdovers you can pretty easily make hits to 100 yards with a handgun. From a terminal ballistics perspective you are already talking pistol vs rifle and at longer range, you run the risk of hollow point ammunition not expanding. Still, you wouldn't want to get hit with it, and it is still capable of stopping a threat given the right hit. With a rifle, 100 yards is pretty much just getting started. The most popular types of ammunition shot by the AR-15 chambered in 5.56x45mm (XM-193 55gr FMJ) needs about 2600 FPS to reliably yaw and fragment in tissue. Out of a 16" barrel that means you have great wounding capacity out to about 200 yards, and beyond that, things get iffy. After about 300-400 yards you are basically shooting a louder .22lr in terms of terminal performance. Longer barrels can extend that to about 300 yards with a 20" barrel and shorter barrels will bring your effective distance down to about 150 yards with a 14.5", and at under 10", they start to get really ineffective, unless you change to a barrel chambered in something like .300AAC blackout or another cartridge designed to perform out of a short barrel.

As far as AR optics, many people will run the same type of red dot sight on an AR as they will a pistol, especially in home defense-type scenarios. They are light, durable, fast, and have excellent battery life (measured in years), but they are unmagnified. They are also cheaper relative to the other options. You'll also see fixed magnified optics like the Trijicon ACOG, which are pretty much bomb proof, have great clarity, can function like a red dot at close range but will provide some magnification (1.5x-4x generally) for midrange distances and give you minute of man accuracy out to 600-700 or so yards. Many of these run off of tritium and fiber optics and don't even need a battery. They aren't quite as fast or intuitive as a red dot but can be very effective in the right scenarios. These tend to run from around $700-1200. The other option that is pretty popular is the low variable power optic, or LVPO. These have a lot of the advantages of a red dot in offering a true 1x with great clarity and an illuminated dot, but also going out to 8x or 10x with great glass and, so kind of the best of both worlds and will allow you to shoot with some precision out to the useable distance of an AR-15 (about 700 yards or so depending on ammo). The downside is they are expensive. Good ones run around $1500-2000, especially if you want daylight bright illumination. They also don't have near the battery life of good red dots, are heavier, and have very limited use for defensive purposes that would meet the legal burden required for self defense (e.g. there are very few scenarios that would require someone to make hits at distance because they felt in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm).

So yeah, I wouldn't want to shoot a handgun against an AR, but it is a viable option that is a) better than nothing and b) can certainly stop someone with an AR especially if you have some sort of other advantages (cover and/or concealment, they are unaware of you, etc). They can also be used to lay down suppressive fire if need be, provided you have enough ammo, so that you and others can move to safer locations.

 

Damn, some of you know more about guns than I think I know about my job. Not a knock but crazy amount of information.

 

All these mass shootings make me wish I was less capable of defending myself.

 

This is a terrible story. Have they caught Robert Card, the MAGA domestic terrorist who was radicalized by Fox News and righty media, yet?

 

Couple things strike me about this guy as far as the initial reporting. One, it seems unusual for a person to start hearing voices for the first time at age 40 IF that's what happened? Aren't those sorts of episodes something we'd expect to start occurring in one's 20's? Second, if he really snapped, is hearing voices, and isn't living in a state of reality, it would seem more likely that he'd make the sort of mistakes that get people caught?

 

Pyschotic breaks - which seems like what happened here - usually occur in younger adults, but can certainly happen to someone at 40.

 

So you during all of your waking hours you walk around your home carrying your assault-type rifle along with plenty of high capacity magazines and when you go to asleep you keep the rifle next to you. Who would have thought?

 

Everyone should have a security plan. Sometimes they will help, and even if they don't, I suppose it gives people some peace of mind to prepare. I did think this was an interesting take in the context of a firearms instructor mowing down tens of people with a semi automatic rifle - at least unless he's packing everywhere he goes out in public.

https://www.salon.com/2023/10/26/se...g-as-personal-security-plan-after-maine-mass/

In the aftermath of a gunman carrying out a mass shooting at a bowling alley and restaurant in Lewiston, Maine Wednesday night, killing at least 18 people and injuring at least 13, Sean Hannity discussed his "personal security plan" in the event he ever found himself in such a situation. “I always ask the question when something like this happens. ‘What is your plan? What do you do?’” Hannity said during Wednesday's edition of his Fox News show, per The Wrap. “I have a personal security plan. I train in mixed martial arts. I’ve been a big believer in the Second Amendment for a long time with the prayer I never would have to use it.”

 

Unless it's coming from hunting or military experience I find it bizzare. Being educated on guns is a good thing if someone is going to own and carry but I know too many people who have built up a cache because they have this fear they will be outgunned if they don't have one for every situation.....