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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by QGator2414, May 8, 2023.

  1. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

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    The irony is palpable. You can say narcissism all you want. You are the one implementing it. You understand that "not dangerous" is being equated to normal like diseases and the effect they have on a particular group. But you keep battling for the one size fits all approach that completely failed us. The antithesis of medicine and science at that. And now we have destroyed the trust in public health in the process. You see. Most people know they were duped (including doctors). Doctors are not recommending these drugs for a reason anymore. The only (again...lets realize that yes there are a few doctors who are recommending these drugs...the annoying things of discussing on a message board with a narcissist that claims you are a narcissist) place you see these drugs being recommended are in advertisements and pharmacies getting paid to administer them. Hence very few people are taking the drugs.

    We need to hold people accountable. But trump and biden have protected a lot of people!
     
  2. mdgator05

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    What the heck is a "normal like disease?"

    Says the world expert on medicine and science who knows more than all the actual experts on either.

    No, you are attempting to do that. But you will notice that almost nobody here actually agrees with you. Your primary defense is coming from the viruses aren't real guy for a reason.

    They are. You just don't like that they are, so you pretend they aren't. There is plenty of data to suggest that they are still recommending them. You reject that because you wish it wasn't so.

    What percentage of doctors are recommending it? I will be happy to provide survey evidence answering that question. You won't. Instead you will dispute the evidence with a lack of evidence but your strong belief. That is narcissism, the notion that your belief outweighs actual empirical evidence. But a nice attempt to try to turn this around. It just failed.

    You aren't going to ever get what you want. Sorry.
     
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  3. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

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    Even if there was a new disease, which there was not, common sense would dictate that a monomaniacal preoccupation with one disease, to the exclusion of others, would yield catastrophic effects. Too bad for multitudes that common sense was deplatformed. Science, my a**.
     
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  4. QGator2414

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    Yes...similar disease. What the heck. But we let a few idiots in public health totally ignore science and medicine to push a one size fits all approach.

    The data speaks. Very few people are taking the mrna shots these days. Why. Because doctors are not backing up the advertising being pushed by government/pfizer/moderna. The ADs are there.

    Two more days and the US can finally at least say it is no longer insane. Though considering this should happen immediately/a long time ago. Not sure we lose that status overnight. But at least we are no longer idiots telling people they cannot come to our country legally unless they take a shot while illegals come daily over the border. :cool:
     
  5. mdgator05

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    Similar to what? Disease? That is a pretty broad category.

    Or they didn't and, being a non-expert, you don't understand what you are talking about, no matter how many times you say it, hoping that it makes the point smarter or that everybody will realize how much smarter you are than all the experts. It isn't working. And it won't work.

    Wow, you must be shocked by the number of doctors in the US recommending that their patients be obese. Because you clearly think people always listen to their doctors, have doctors, and 10 other ways that a doctor recommendation might not be followed.

    Yep, you got everything figured out and know more than everybody in public health. Someday, maybe you will convince everybody of that (spoiler alert: you won't, it will just lead to more resentment).
     
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  6. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

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    Don’t get me started on what our doctors are doing to fat people.
     
  7. Spurffelbow833

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    Doubling as their talent agents?
     
  8. QGator2414

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    Respiratory Infectious diseases…

    And no doubt people do not listen to their doctor. Just think. If they did…Covid would have been far less damaging than it was. Because as fauci said in late 2019. The best way to fight one is being healthy. And Covid definitely had a bias for the obese. Especially elderly obese.
     
  9. duggers_dad

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    I’m a slim person acting as their advocates.
     
  10. mdgator05

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    Okay, still a pretty broad category. A huge proportion of people that got MERS died (part of why it didn't become a global pandemic, in fact). So do you mean that? Or other respiratory infectious diseases?

    So then how is the fact that people aren't getting shots at the same rate they once did evidence that doctors aren't recommending it? It seems like declaring that the cause of less people getting vaccines relies on the notion that people actually largely listen to their doctors and do exactly what they say.
     
  11. duggers_dad

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    We do need doctors. Certain doctors. For certain situations. But I suspect there would be far fewer deaths if people didn’t genuflect before their doctors, healthcare likely being the leading cause of death in the US. And this was never more true than since 2020.
     
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  12. Spurffelbow833

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    Cut Fauci some slack. He missed out on the Camel cigarette glory days.
     
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  13. QGator2414

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    Maybe you think an acceptance rate of 10% for a shot that over 70% of the population took is the sign of doctors recommending the shot. Anecdotally I saw the turn with my doctor in September of 2021 when Covid was not even brought up until I asked him about it as I wanted to know his thoughts on me taking it. As I said back then…only one he had confidence in was Moderna. And my reading was I have to recommend it because that is what the consensus was to do for liability. Could I have been wrong on that read of his presentation? Sure. But I am fairly confident he is glad I made the decision to avoid Modena as not long after we had all sorts of countries halting that one for young males.

    Just hard for me to see doctors recommending these shots from what I know and the numbers show.
     
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  15. mdgator05

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    And yet, there is plenty of data to show that doctors still recommend, even your's, which is why you are having to "interpret" what your doctor is doing. In reality, your doctor recommended it, and you chose not to listen. Then you tried to create a justification to yourself for why you did that and how it didn't at all dispute your position.
     
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  16. duggers_dad

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    Probably a good thing my mom chose not to comply with her doctor’s recommendation to take up smoking for her asthma.
     
  17. QGator2414

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    My doctor in September of 2021 was not even going to discuss Covid. So really doubt he was and is recommending the shot unless someone wanted(s) to discuss it. Part of that being he had already lost confidence in Pfizer at that point. Then a couple months later you have the issues with Moderna.

    But hey. You keep thinking doctors are recommending these shots. LOL!
     
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    Good ones do.
     
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    If people had listed to "Dr. Q" there would have been hundreds of thousands more deaths.
     
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  20. mdgator05

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    And yet, you just stated that he recommended Moderna and then tried to explain away why he did (he did it as some sort of CYA action). So even your doctor, likely chosen because of a propensity to agree with you, was recommending it.

    I will keep thinking what doctors say, which is that they recommend it. In surveys and in professional organizations, the facts are clear: they recommend it. The fact is that even your doctor did.
     
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